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In light of the dev silently blacklisting blahaj.zone, many of its users and several other instances, we have removed tesseract from the available lemmy front ends we offer.

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[–] raspirate@lemmy.world 105 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

This controversy over tesseract finally got me to do a bit more reading to understand how federation actually works and what a frontend does. Now I understand why everyone is so pissed.

The email metaphor has been the most useful to me in understanding how this works. Someone tell me if I've got this right. Basically, you have your lemmy account, which belongs to the instance you created it on, like how a gmail account belongs to Google. You can use whatever frontend you like to view your feed, just like you could use Outlook to view your Gmail account. Tesseract is a frontend, kinda like Outlook in the metaphor. In theory, a frontend should deliver to you everything that would appear on your lemmy instance no matter where you access it from, but now the tesseract frontend is basically making content filtering decisions about what users, topics, and instances you have access to. It would be like if your Outlook app suddenly decided "ew, you shouldn't be using your Gmail to talk to any of those yahoo mail people, and also it's now forbidden to use Outlook to discuss seahorses."

So all the posts, users, and instances are still there, it's just that the dev of your frontend decided that you shouldn't interact with those users or discuss those topics anymore. Worse still, they surreptitiously tried to hide all of this new filtering among other features that are needed for spam and whatnot, leading people to think something was actually broken.

Do I have that right?

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)
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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 85 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

I just read about this and it's kind of insane. Thank you for all your efforts!

I honestly didn't catch that this server was one of the blacklisted ones. Seriously fucking wild.

Those db0 kids are chill.

EDIT: Just looked at the JSON.

What the fuck they blocked YOU, @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ? Seriously what the flying fuck.

[–] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 62 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They got my piefed account too!

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It really roils me because you seem to be one of the most level-headed people in the Fediverse. I love running across your comments in random threads because you always have something of value to add, and you write well, to boot.

As you said yourself, it's not the blocklist that's the issue it's that it's not documented, seems somewhat intentionally hidden (including the apps claim that blocked sites are "incompatible"), and so the people deploying it aren't even aware it's there and don't have the option to disable or change it to suit their needs. It's very, very sketchy behavior on the part of the developer.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I was peeking around on db0's post about it, and somebody mentioned that it's really bad code structure, too. Which is true, hard-coding lists is atrociously hostile to convention and clean habits. It would be like if a chef never washed their hands because they thought it added flavor.

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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ah dang. Did they get my nick at all? 🤞

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Nah gotta up your posting game, I got individually and regex blocked 💪

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Shiiiiiiiitfuuck. Gfdi.

I am disappoint.

Congrats. Well done. Happy for you.

Edit: I'm just laughing my ass off that they're out there angrily regex blocking INDIVIDUAL people in hardcoded encrypted hidden files. The more I think about it the funnier it gets

Edit 2: okay now I'm starting to feel sorry for them. Because yeah that's kinda sad.

Edit 3: nope, funny again hahahahahahaha

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[–] Carl@anarchist.nexus 18 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Those db0 kids are chill.

Yeah, looking at the commit history from before db0 was officially blocked is interesting. It started with a content warning system. It was designed to give users a “be cautious when interacting with this instance, they encourage violence against people they disagree with” warning. Conveniently omitting that the “people db0 disagrees with” are typically straight up neo-Nazis and supes. Apparently the dev takes issue with “punching Nazis is okay” types of comments. And then a later update silently added the blocklist instead of a content warning.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 14 points 4 weeks ago

Bet they do record numbers as a mod on reddit. This absolutely stinks of someone trying to find a way to supermod on an open frame network

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[–] nature_man@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The fuck?? Why in the world is a front end blacklisting people or instances??

ETA: This is literally the first thing I see after coming back from a break. Also, I'm so sorry you have to deal with this Ada, the dev sounds like a jackass

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[–] neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (5 children)

Poking through both /src/lib/blacklists.ts and the double-secret policy file that gets pulled on load (see snot flickerman's comment on how to look at it), I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the end goal of blocking this specific set of keywords, fediverse peers, communities, users, etc.

You've got radical right stuff in here with radical left stuff, lots of lie-peddling news outlets and state-backed propaganda sources as well. Lots of focus on Russian-sourced content, and some attention paid to American MAGA crap. It's quite strange to find blahaj hostnames and users among them.

My best guess is that this is a hammy attempt to make Tesseract a more bland beige version of fediverse content with the pointy jagged parts filed off. But porn is a-ok.

Really weird choices.

UPDATE: The Tesseract project author made a public post addressing the obscured ban list: https://lemmy.world/post/49817942

There’s some clarity provided, most interestingly recontextualizing the hidden ban list as a “toxic mode” setting that can be turned on and off by the instance admin. So sure, that’s nice and all, but it still groups our entire instance, and our admin, in with the literal worst of the internet, making us banned by default. That’s the moral assessment this person has made of us, with no justification or receipts to back it up.

Just…

"These are all rough edges of the threadiverse which I am attempting to round off so we might actually be able to retain some level headed people instead of scraping the bottom of the barrel by being a dumping ground for people rejected by civil society."

That’s pretty warped, but I don’t want to call it unforgivable. I just want the author to introspect and say more about why they feel this way.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

EDIT: I was right. This is from their angry defensive screed.

To be blunt: Tesseract is designed to attract and retain normies.


There's certainly a subset on the Fedi who seem to desperately want it to become a massively popular thing that persists through the ages instead of small but deep and worthwhile community growth among those who do choose to participate. Will it last forever? Probably not, most things don't. Friendster died before MySpace and people forget it even existed (I mean, it was legitimately terrible)

It makes me wonder if this person thinks that they're making the Fedi more palatable for "normies" or something.

Because popularity always brings a marginalization of already marginalized communities. This comic sums it up pretty well.

Honestly, I think as long as we stay small and have our own community existing under the radar so to speak we have less likelihood of being invaded by even more numerous asshats than we already do. Lemmy or Piefed becoming massively popular could actually be a detriment, especially in terms of hosting costs, since most instances are funded via donations or the admins own personal income.

[–] neuracnu@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 month ago

I’ve been a part of online communities for a long time. The ones I value most in retrospect were relatively small, niche and disconnected from grand global everything-platforms.

The fediverse is a step towards an internet of a million weird micro communities, finding ways to talk to each other.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 14 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Desperate centrists who believe the axiom that all of their beliefs represent reasonable moderate positions no matter what are some of the weirdest, most ingrown people next to rightwing chuds.

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[–] EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why are some people so batshit insane ???

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[–] happy_wheels@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Whelp that explains why I'm experiencing login-loop at the blahaj.lemmy.zone landing page... I liked the UI & UX of Tes. Oh well.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Same. It was my default lemmy UI.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I'll keep using the default Lemmy UI no matter how many times it breaks lmao

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[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good. I support this decision.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Not sure you're aware, but you are on the secret tesseract block list. Good job keep up the great work!

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[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm a bit miffed that I'm not shadow blacklisted.

But also wtf

And lastly, porn is ok but GirlsFrontline is banned? Lol. It's like an anime style game. Looks kinda stupid to me but i wouldn't be shadow banning it

[–] pleb_maximus@piefed.zip 18 points 1 month ago

I guess it just is the wrong kind of porn according to the dev.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

What's the deal with this Tesseract developer? Did they just block everyone that has ever looked at them funny? I looked at the blocklist and saw all kinds of people: trans-oriented, piracy-oriented, and lots of tankie-oriented instances. And a lot of users I'd never heard of.

Now they've taken their whole site offline, presumably so they won't have to answer any questions.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (14 children)

Now they’ve taken their whole site offline, presumably so they won’t have to answer any questions.

Tea is just all over the damn floor at this point.

...but like... what did they think was gonna happen? Did they think they were so clever that no one could figure it out? Even when it effectively broke functionality on sites that used it but were blocked? Like they couldn't add in code to disable specific parts of it if it was deployed on one of those sites so they could keep the whole thing secret? Like just another little regex search string to ignore any users and sites that match the site domain as its rolling out, so they would keep using it and be none the wiser because it would work for them but continue to have its blocklist maintained and secret because it wouldn't cause any problems.

I hate that it takes me like zero effort to conceptualize a better way to have done this shady shit, but on the other hand I guess I'm just glad they weren't that clever.

EDIT: Upon reflection, I do wonder if this was at least partially vibe coded, because LLMs don't have forethought and can't plan ahead for contingencies like that. Because it also seems like a no-brainer that it would lead to configuration failures if deployed on one of the sites that is blocked.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This one is just getting wilder and wilder the more the code is analysed

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)
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[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I used to use that frontend, and I am in that block list. What irony!

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (6 children)

Wonder if I'm in there? If not I'll be saddened.

Edit: apparently I am WOOHOO, THANK YOU FOR THE BADGE OF HONOUR

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Tell me about it. I liked that frontend so much I promoted it heavily. They blocked my whole instance...

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I feel like that's probably a badge of honor.

took me a while to realize that tesseract is also the name of a lemmy frontend. because there's also tesseract-ocr which is used for optical character recognition. (i started using tesseract-ocr yesterday to scan all my meme images for text to make them easily searchable).

[–] joeljoelle@piefed.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 month ago

seems like a good move, thanks Ada!

[–] mynameisbob@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago (12 children)

Fuckin turds I swear to gawd. Liberalism is a rightwing ideology.

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[–] ndupont@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Looks like it's now been removed from GitHub too... That chode went from 9 to 8 repos.

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[–] enemyofsun@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago (8 children)

After the Rimu fiasco I tried returning to Lemmy and found Tesseract to be my favorite frontend primarily because of the ability to create community lists w/o subscribing to them (the closest thing I found to Piefed Feeds).

And then this happens...

~~I'm going back to Reddit~~

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[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 11 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

What a sad loser. May his days be short. 👍

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[–] sixtoe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago

It never ends. I'm sorry and thank you for everything you do for us. We value your labor on our behalf. 💖

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