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Kinda like now, only now there's a lot more dead bodies

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 94 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No.

2016 = MAGA/Trump does incompetence and stupidity

2026 = MAGA/Trump doed unprecedented corruption, calculated evil, and inescapable damage.

[–] sunrisepirate@piefed.social 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

2016 still sucked. But for me it sucked in "god this is stupid, I'm so glad it's temporary" kind of way. It felt like a temporary accident and we learned from our mistakes.

2026 sucks in a "oh fuck, this is how the rest of my life is going to be" kind of way. Everyone knew exactly who Trump was and what he wanted to do; he was still the first choice for most Americans, and now it feels like it will never get better.

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[–] YoFrodo@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It did, but its verifiably worse now

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's objectively worse now buddy. That's not in debate from anyone in the world.

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[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I was a full grown adult in 16 and I can confirm that it was not at all the same. 16 was "oh wow, this is really stupid and is going to take a lot of fixing". 26 is "oh wow, this is absurdly evil and will take a lifetime to fix, if ever.

2016 was testing the waters to see what he could get away with, 2026 is an insane bigot that has been told that he has no rules.

[–] EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago

I was a full grown adult by 1990..been a prepper since they called us survivalists.

This is the worst I’ve seen our society. Things are far worse now than 2016.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Trump's first term was a meme because it was just him slamming into government red tape every 5 seconds he wanted to do something stupid.

He learned his lesson and made sure to nuke every administration his second term with his own cronies lol.

[–] meathorse@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

When his first term ended, you could almost taste the relief that he never managed to do anything terrible and its like it was a 4-year lesson the world had to learn... Then the dipshits in charge failed to put the diaper-stain in jail to rot for his corruption.

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[–] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

Most people didn't believe he'd win in 2016, so they had no plan. They were ready for the second time.

[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I remember when the world thought George Dubya Bush was the dumbest president the US would ever have. This is worse in basically every possible measure.

[–] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well, he caused about a million deaths and countless refugees from the Middle East. The chaos just didn't reach the US in the same way as the one caused by Pedolf Diddler.

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The chaos just didn’t reach the US

The consequences and refugees of the Bush imperialist wars did reach Europe though. It helped right wing ideology to rise.

In Trump's first term, the one good thing was that he didn't start a new war and create more refugees and devastation. Of course now he and his masters are purposefully wrecking the global economy which is worse.

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[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even more than that, in a lot of ways this is the chaos he unleashed coming back on us. ICE was created by his administration as part of the overreaction to 9/11, and their whole strategy of "say person doesn't have legal status, detain them in the cheapest and most dangerous facility possible, and charge taxpayers a king's ransom to do it" was first dreamed up by the fucking ghouls in his DOJ, they just called them "enemy combatants" instead of "illegal aliens."

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[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

2026 is definitely worse. I was 36 in 2016, and there were some people in the government that weren't abject cowards, but not anymore.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

2016 sucked too, but less than 2026 does. AND you were younger, potentially more oblivious to many of the world's issues (depending on age).

Both can be true at the same time. Nostalgia plays a big role here, but it's by no means the only role.

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

I had to talk down trans friends from suicide on 2016. We have been screaming about him from the rooftops (and in my case, stage) since then.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I was 30 in 2016. That term was awful, so was GWB's entire double term in the aughts. But today is, unfortunately, materially and symbolically worse by almost every measure.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

'Wait, holdup just a goddamn minute, youre saying it wasnt a good idea to reelect a pussy-grabbin, insurrection-instigating, lying, raping, narcisistic, grifting, thrice impeached, draft dodgin, goddamn criminal back into the most powerful office in the land? But he said hed go after his political enemies for no other reason than he didnt like them, destroy key institutions, american soft power, and go after democracy itself...

Hmm... But his opponent was a woman. In a suit. Im sure she was equivalent. Oh well.'

  • 60% of eligible voters and those idiotic sitouts.
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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Are you trying to say that people don't think 2016 was bad, or are you trying to say that 2016 is worse than now? Because I don't see anyone making either of those arguments.

The first trump admin was bad, but the second one is objectively worse. Even his fanbois are starting to notice how much worse it is. It would be funny if I didn't have to live through them having to deal with the consequences of their actions, cuz I have to too.

[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It was better the first time around, fight me.

Atleast we had 8 years of relative sanity within the government. Like it was trash but atleast it was painted a nice colour. Now it's just them shitting on the trash.

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

It was better the first time around because they were incompetent noobs. Now, they know the levers better and are wrecking shit faster and harder.

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just the last two months of 2016 sucked and that was from anxiety for what was coming. 2017 was dogshit, but 2026 has been terrible in comparison because those assholes spent the last term planning out how to dismantle democracy and handed Trump a fucking playbook to do it. 2017 they didn’t know what they were doing and there were people appointed that at least stood up to his stupidity because they cared about the country over Trump. That’s not the case anymore.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not American, but I remember thinking that clearly electing trump was a mistake but maybe it won't be as bad as we fear. And at first that seemed not too far off. The Muslim ban got watered down, the wall didn't really go anywhere. But no it ended up being much much worse.

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I’m an American and I thought the same thing at first; when he was elected, I knew he’d be the worst president ever, but I figured that there were checks and balances on presidential power and he’d at least be restricted with what he can do. I didn’t realize that those checks and balances didn’t actually do anything if the president just didn’t care. When he was elected again in 2024, I knew it was going to be terrible because they stacked the Supreme Court and had a majority in the house and senate and the Republican Party is filled with sycophants.

[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't deny that it did, but you have to admit that was only a trial run, and there were some people who were just barely competent still in positions that stopped him or at least scaled back some of his more unhinged actions in his first term.

He's removed those (albeit flimsy) guardrails this time around. Everyone around him is a dangerously stupid yes man now.

[–] Beeen132@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If I remember correctly, it began to suck in 2001.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It took a pretty solid nosedive then, but the groundwork was laid by Reagan.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Yes, I was younger, but not young. Unless 50 is young.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I guess, but even 50+ year olds feel this way. Anyways, what time period WAS better than now? Surely not every decade in human history has coincidentally ended up on equal footing.

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[–] SkyeLight@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago

I used to wake up every morning with a feeling of existential dread over what middle of the night drug fueled rant he would've gone on that would dismantle some part of society.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I remember work the day after the election it was complete silence at lunch.

Everyone knew things were about to go to shit. There wasn’t even a point talking about it.

[–] themoken@startrek.website 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I had an Aussie team lead in 2016 and he messaged me the day after the election like "WTF happened?"

I was feeling grim and said "we just woke up in a fascist hellscape" which at the time was gruesome overkill for effect but I often think about that interaction now. America is not the same place it was a decade ago.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

I should add I’m Canadian. This was in a Canadian office.

[–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

People always want to stay the bad times started in 2016, but the 2 key events that lead to Trump getting elected were 9/11-war on terror and the 2008 financial crash. People forget but Occupy Wall Street started in 2012 and that was the real wake up call for the entire American political establishment that the status quo was not working for most people. Instead the DNC rigged the 2016 democratic primary and Trump ended up winning the election.

Things have been shit for a while for most people, but 2016 was the first time we had the opportunity to acknowledge it.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

If you look at human history, its kinda hard to find a place and time that someone isn't consrtruing as shitty.

On days when I am feeling good and optimistic, I can convince myself that this is because humanity is constantly getting better. The fact that so many Americans can look back in history and recognize the foundations of colonialism, imperialism, racism, sexism, etc means that these people have grown. Just as I can look at myself fro 20 years ago and see how much worse of a person I was- that means that I've grown and gotten better. I hope to grow and get better in the future, that the person 20 years from now will look back at me today and see someone with a lot of flaws.

But I'm not feeling that right now. Today unjust feel like the world has been doomed to cycles of violence, oppreaion, and chaos since the first single-cell organisms evolved from the primordial soup.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Buddy...

If you're playing that game go back to McCarthyism.

Or the Bonus Army even. The Class War never ended, it's just when the people win they raise kids who don't understand what it cost to give them what they have. So they trade it away.

Even if we win again, the Class War won't end. It's a constant fight to hold Smaug at bay.

Yeah that's fair. Tbh I think the last opportunity for American society to save itself was the 1960s/70s. We've basically been unsalvageable since Reagan got elected.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Don't forget 2010's Citizens United

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Obama was president in 2016. I don't think it was bad

[–] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

You clearly have forgotten the horrors of the tan suit and the chaos of the Dijon mustard.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 3 points 1 week ago

2026 is worse simply because none of the 1st term shtfuckery was ever addressed, let alone fixed.

[–] ItsMeForRealNow@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

That's when it started sucking really bad.

[–] AngryRedHerring@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

At least the first time around he had appointees with actual government experience. This time it's all low wattage knuckle dragging sycophants drawn from the storied ranks of podcasters, bloggers and pundits

[–] Casuls_Die_Thrice@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I was 14 in 2016; I lived in a red town back then & all I knew was “funny old blonde realtor who says dumb memeable shit on TV & Twitter is gonna be president? PEAK COMEDY ROFLMFAOOL”

10 years later, I have since been thoroughly disabused of that immature, uneducated teenage mindset.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Worst time of my life, it definitely sucked. This is more systemic suckage though.

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