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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 12 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I mean self-defense is not bad.

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[–] Kaligalis@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

You don't get it - there are lots of natural resources there!

[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

When I was young people around me told me that the further west on the map country is, the wealthiest and more free people live there without any conflict bothering them. With USA (the west-most country on map) as a shiny utopia with everyone peacefully living there being rich and free.

When I was a teen and my country joined EU I saw countless young adults emigrate west, seeking wealth and freedom beyond anyone's wildest dreams. Terrorists and oppressive regimes waged war in the eastern lands.

When I am an adult, the supposed peacekeeper of the world is waging wars to protect pedophiles. Former empire where sun never sets is trying to outlaw being young and sell their citizens data to highest bidder. And EU is bi-yearly trying to pass universal invigilation act.

I feel like my moral compass never really changed, it's just the world around me that changed beyond recognition. I worry how it will be when I get old, if I even get to live to old age.

Hang in there, buddy, it's rough but we are all in this together.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

US quality of life is going down because labor market has lower demand. it used to be: economic growth -> high demand for labor -> high wages -> quality of life.

the only thing that it has to do with being "west" was that new land -> lots of stuff to do -> growth -> high wages -> quality of life. once the land is settled, that stops.

[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 1 points 6 hours ago

If nazis in ww2 had propaganda as good as american dream, nobody would know they lost the war to this day.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

actually, to live without economic growth takes entirely different strategies than the labor market and wage mechanism.

it needs strategies that the US has not shown mastery of yet.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 7 points 8 hours ago

The police are made to oppress your own citizens while the military is made to oppress foreign citizens

[–] salvaria@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

What's even more wild is to ask a religious leader for a religion that says "don't kill people" about how killing people in a war isn't a sin. I was only a child when I saw one of my peers ask a priest this. The mental gymnastics the priest was trying to pull was blatantly obvious to me, even as a kid.

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 40 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Joining a military that aggresses other nations? Yeah, spot on. Joining a military to defend your line on the ground against people you see as fellow earthlings? Still a fair take. Joining a military to defend against people who want you dead because of how you were born? That's where this starts to unravel. That kind of stuff sadly exists in this world.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

So many absurd things that I was told "you'll understand/agree when you're older" that turned out to just be boomer copium.

No, I don't hate taxes (the opposite). No, I'm not more conservative (the opposite).

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[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This and the electoral college. Even 12 year old me was like this shit is fucked right?? Only to be told by adults how stupid I was… smh

I'm glad I was never told this. The benefits of being from a large state I guess

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 16 points 12 hours ago (7 children)

I was once asked why I joined the military and my answer was 'l needed money'. This seemed to shock my companion who was astounded that I was willing to potentially kill people over money. My response was that it was a far better reason than for imaginary friends or the colour of their skin.

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[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Yeah, but no on the military part when considering most countries that are not aggressors. A hypothetical "punchback guy" that punches a bully back when you get punched is in my opinion not evil, the bully is.

[–] jaschop@awful.systems 43 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not gonna fault an american for an opinion like that, but if you're involved with european leftists who are too busy virtue signalling to adopt any pragmatic defense policy positions, you get a real appreciation for the nuance.

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

You will get the murder and destruction when you grow up kid. It all makes sense once you become part of the machine /S

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 56 points 15 hours ago (76 children)

What about defensive wars, though? Occupations are often quite brutal, as well.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 13 hours ago (8 children)

As someone pointed out, this is understandable if you're from the USA.

Otherwise, I see it like this:

  • Every country has an army.

  • Their own, or the one of another country.

The baseline is that going to war is bad, having a defensive army is absolutely not (and will prevent deaths as russia won't dare attack you).

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