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Geopolitical scientist Gilles Gressani, co-founder of the magazine Le Grand Continent**, poses this** "paradox" in the latest book of his journal devoted to the enemies of Europe, while China represents "half of what matters in geopolitics and economics".

Small moment of floating on the set of LCI, on May 28, during David Pujadas' daily show." I ask you the question around this table: who can mention the name of three living Chinese today?", says the presenter to his guests, journalists Ruth Elkrief (LCI), Jean Quatremer (Libération), Pascal Perri (TF1/LCI) and Thierry Fabre (Challenges). Embarrassed silence. We are thinking. We rack our brains. "There is Xi Jinping, the president," begins one of them. That will be all. To discover

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"There is a problem when cultured people, who are interested in international business, who read the press, have difficulty imagining the existence of three Chinese figures," says Gilles Gressani, director of the magazine Le Grand Continent. It is he who, in the introduction of the latest book published by his magazine, L'Ennemi qui nous désigne (Gallimard, 2026), poses this "paradox": China weighs "half of what counts in geopolitics and economics", but no one is able to sing three names of living Chinese. "We continue to totally ignore what is happening" "It says something fundamental," adds the essayist. "We live with mental representations that are those of the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st century. We still live in 2000, when in reality we are much closer to 2050." The book, which brings together several texts by "renowned sinologists and key doctrinaries of Xi Jinping", under the direction of the Italian-Swiss writer and political scientist Giuliano da Empoli, offers precisely an "exclusive file" on the Middle Kingdom. "If we feel such a vertigo in the face of the ongoing upheavals, it is perhaps because we still refuse to integrate a massive dimension of the contemporary: China," plants the presentation of the volume.

Gilles Gressani invites you to look at the "impressive" figures: between 2018 and 2019 alone, China produced more cement than the United States throughout the 20th century, he says. In addition, "more than half of AI research is done in China", and renewable energy installations are "vertiginous". "However, we continue to completely ignore what is happening," he notes.

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[–] Chana@hexbear.net 55 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Reminded of that recent comment section on this site talking about how Soviet academics all read western capitalist economists and Western a ademics couldn't name Soviets they had read despite presuming they were the less propagandized.

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[–] segfault11@hexbear.net 41 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

brace belden, nick mullen, jackie chan

[–] Petasetas@tardigram.com 30 points 2 weeks ago

And Ethan Hawke!

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Easy mistake to make but Nick Mullen is only culturally Chinese but ethnically gay

[–] segfault11@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

it counts, after all brace is ethnically chinese but culturally gay

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 34 points 2 weeks ago

nobody in this thread mentioned Jack Ma yet and I had to double check if he was still alive

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 31 points 2 weeks ago

Part ignorance, part language barrier.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 31 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Xi Jinping, Jackie Chan, Liu Cixin, and for a bonus Stephen Chow.

China really has to step up their cultural exports, just look at how well it's worked for Japan.

[–] LittleFellaNamedBoof@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Faye Wong (singer), Jack Ma, Xi Jinping, Li Jingjing, were the first that came to mind for me for China. For Japan I don't think I could name like any lol. Maybe Michiyo Kaku? He's japanese right? The science guy.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Shit, I could name a whole bunch of Japanese artists and fighters and I'm not even a weeb

I'm not really big on pop culture in general. I don't know any fighters regardless of country. You mean like MMA stuff I assume? 我说中文 (I speak chinese) so thats why I can actually name a Chinese singer. I'm not like fluent but I listen to music to practice.

As for Japanese like I have seen some animes but you could hold a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you the name of a single person involved in making them.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably helps that I consume a fair bit of japanese media (and don't necessarily remember their entire names) but off the top of my head

  • Kojima
  • Hayao Miyazaki
  • The Other Miyazaki what did the dark souls (google has revealed his name to be Hidetaka)
  • Eichiro Oda
  • Junji Ito
  • Fumio Kishida
  • Sanae Takaichi
  • That Guy What Had The the-doohickey
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[–] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

I spent like 2 minutes trying to remember the name of Bo Xilai to get my 3rd. I'm sorry, everyone. I'll be more Chinese-centered from now on. I could also just open up a copy of Monthly Review and just read half of the Chinese author names I never bother to remember (I don't really remember the non-English ones either though).

[–] DornerStan@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 2 weeks ago

No mention of the goat Chen Weihua?

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 26 points 2 weeks ago

Start with Mao and when they say he's dead just look shocked and start sobbing uncontrollably.

[–] Krem@hexbear.net 24 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Hate to say it but hexbear is not great at proving this guy wrong when i see a lot of "Xi Jinping, Jackie Chan" in the comments

we can all benefit from watching more Chinese news (CGTN is mostly in English and you can find many other channels with subtitles) and more Chinese pop culture (many subtitled TV shows on youtube, and many recent movies on streaming sites. a lot of music on youtube and other services)

maybe I'll make an effort thread about it with links and descriptions. but it's equally likely i'll forget about it ten minutes from now neuron-activation

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

I mean I probably would have failed this test if you hit me with it live on the air but I'm also not pretending to be a China expert.

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[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
  • Xi Jinping
  • Jackie Chan
  • Christopher Lambert as Raiden

admittedly, for living chinese people i would have to think for a bit to come up with three that weren't famous actors or sports people with big releases in the US.

Xi Jinping and Jack Ma is all that comes to mind in terms of public figures in the realm of political economy.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)
  • Mao Tse Tung
  • Mao Zedong
  • Chairman Mao

Ez. Hes still real to me.

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Three living Chinese people

I got bad news for you, bud :(

[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I got good news for you, they're alive

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago

please-wake-up holy shit it worked

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

They say you die twice, once when you post cringe and once when you lose subscriber. i will never unsubscribe, no matter how much cringe he posted near the end

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[–] Blaiz0r@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

China doesn't promote itself like how other countries have, look at South Korea for example where KPop and drama and sports stars are common knowledge.

The question is an interesting one, but the reasons for it are perhaps more nuanced than at first thought.

[–] dr_robotBones@reddthat.com 16 points 2 weeks ago

Chinese animation and videogames have been taking off more and more, so if what you're saying is true I'd expect it to change in time.

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 22 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

bro can't even name easy ones like Victor Gao

[–] SickSemper@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago

Wang Yi like come on

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

Yao ming is a gimme

[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I totally forgot Ding Liren

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

Song Yadong, Zhang Weili, Yan Xiaonan, Su Mudaerji are gimmes for MMA fans

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[–] NinaPasadena@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

How about Eileen Gu

[–] christian@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

We rack our brains. "There is Xi Jinping, the president," begins one of them.

I'm imagining this discussion happening very publicly in American media and someone argues that Gordon Chang is a Chinese national as the second suggestion.

[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In 2016 Republican primary candidates could barely name any American women they weren't related to.

The Republican candidates were asked which woman they would like to see on the $10 bill, as the Treasury Department announced earlier this year.

Here's how each one responded:

Rand Paul: Susan B. Anthony

Mike Huckabee: My wife

Marco Rubio: Rosa Parks

Ted Cruz: "I wouldn’t change the $10 bill, I’d change the 20" with Rosa Parks

Ben Carson: My mother

Donald Trump: Daughter Ivanka and Rosa Parks

Jeb Bush: Margaret Thatcher — “probably illegal, but what the heck”

Scott Walker: Clara Barton

Carly Fiorina: "I wouldn’t change — I think honestly, it’s a gesture."

John Kasich: "I would pick Mother Teresa."

Chris Christie: "The Adams family has been shorted in the currency business."

[–] christian@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is probably a contraversial take but if you could keep them all in a zoo where they couldn't harm actual living people, republican politicians would probably be seen as endearing, like gibbons or panda bears.

[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

“You call yourself an apex predator, but look like this? the-republican

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

Chris Christie: "The Adams family has been shorted in the currency business."

This is Lily Munster erasure

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[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

We still live in 2000, when in reality we are much closer to 2050.

It's pretty close, though.

[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

It's kind of a hard question because Chinese names seem harder for English speakers to remember. I read science articles by Chinese authors all all the time, and the names don't stay with me nearly as easily as Western-style names do. That's why people like Jack Ma and Lisa Su anglicize their names, in all likelihood. Michelle Yeoh is also easy to remember (someone already mentioned Jackie Chan). Chow Yun-Fat came to me after a while, but I had to check his name and also that he was still alive. We unfortunately lost Chen-Ning Yang and Tsung-Dao Lee both quite recently, at well-advanced ages. Yao Ming is still around, retired from basketball, but owner of the Shanghai Sharks last time I looked.

Present-day Chinese political figures other than Xi: yes I'm also drawing a blank.

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[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Without looking at the thread:

Politics:

  • Xi Jinping - President
  • Wang Huning - Chairman of the National Cmte (?) something like that
  • Li Qiang - Premier
  • Zhao Lijian - Some kind of diplomat with twitter
  • Hu Juntao - Former president

Business:

  • Jack Ma - Alibaba
  • Robin Li - Baidu

Art/Entertainment:

  • Jackie Chan
  • Yao Ming
  • Ai Weiwei
  • Jeremy Lin
  • Jet Li
  • Chow Yun Fat
  • Steven Chow
  • Michelle Yeoh
  • Zhang Ziyi
  • Fan Bingbing
  • Yan from Little Chinese Everywhere
[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Michelle Yeoh is Malaysian FYI.

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh interesting, I guess I assumed from the name. There are many Malaysians of Chinese descent, but I thought looking them up would be cheating for my list lol

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, no worries. My gf is Chinese-Malay and her mum worships Michelle Yoeh. Only reason I know.

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago

I only know the gamertags of chinese starcraft players does that count

[–] Petasetas@tardigram.com 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It can be much worse if they would start talking about Confucio, that he was one of the oldest chinese-japanese that invented confusion as a panaman model said in a model contest in Panama

https://youtu.be/YsUUYRmqCBY?is=JdTNQKrTN6f1RZrB

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[–] Homer_Simpson@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Quick! Name 3 people who aren't Jackie Chan

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

Hunter Biden

Queen Latifah

George RR Martin

You didn't specify ethnicity

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[–] Gorillatactics@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The point of a functional bureaucracy is that you dont have to remember names. Having to remember all the feudal lords and their petty disputes about overlapping claims, now thats a different story.

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[–] miz@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Hu Mei, director
Chen Jianbin, actor and director
Tian Xiwei, actress

do I get extra credit for naming more?

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