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I've been both of these guys. In unrelated news, I fucking hate Subway™
Its not just one's job. Its also often one's genetics. Some people seem to naturally gain muscle when they do those labor intensive jobs and some people tend to be very lean even when they try to buff up.
As someone who works from home with an office job, and is also on a health journey, I'm firmly on the side of team protein. I'm working on losing weight, and am watching my protein and fiber intake closely so that my body doesn't eat muscle instead of fat. Also protein and fiber keep you satiated longer, so you're less likely to overeat at your sedentary desk job. While the protein craze IS a bit overboard, I think most office workers would be better off if they got more protein, especially from plant-based sources which also contain fiber. Most Americans at least aren't getting enough fiber, and beans are fucking delicious, versatile and cheap!
OTOH, if everybody ate more unprocessed plant-based food, i.e., more fruits, vegetables and legumes, then they probably wouldn't need to eat so much protein to feel satisfied and be healthy.
If everyone ate more plant-based food, they'd probably be getting their protein in anyway. Beans, legumes and lentils are all full of protein, and that's without even considering processed plant-based products like tofu or even meat-like products (Beyond or Impossible products for example.)
That said, while I absolutely champion people eating more plants, I'm far from vegan or even vegetarian. My diet includes meat, cheese and eggs. Not every meal needs to include meat though. I just think most Americans at least would be better off with a more well rounded diet with less processed food and less sugar.
WFH means more opportunity to go to the gym.
Manual laborers still waiting for OSHA required gear or paperwork signoffs or union negotiations or whatever. Idk, not blue collar.
And to add on, manual labor typically needs a lot of calories in order to perform their work while office workers don't.
Office workers have to be more sensitive of their calories because there is less physical amount of food for them to get their nutrients even if they go to the gym.
Consumes 10 kg of protein
Shits once per month
I think your co-worker might be an anaconda.
Only if he don't want none unless you got buns hun
Ladies, if your boyfriend...
It makes sense. Sedentary lives encourage muscle loss so protein excess encourages retention. Labourers don't grow a ton of muscle working once they peak and need more calories from fat and carbs.
That's not how it works. You can't eat your way out of muscle atrophy.
People need to stop thinking that excess protein intake when sedentary will develop muscle. The bottom line is that excess calories consumed beyond total daily energy expenditure will cause weight gain. And not the muscular kind of weight. Protein has 4 calories per gram so it's not a freebie diet food that magically builds muscle. It only builds muscle if you exercise. Not sitting on yer arse.
Plus excess protein is bad for you. Your body just has to work harder to filter anything you don't use out.
Yeah the current marketing obsession with protein just screams fad diet. Remember "super foods" where you try to throw certain nutrient dense ingredients into all of your food? Whatever happened to that?
The SuperFood fad is timeless wisdom. People who stick with that are golden.
Almonds, blueberries, quinoa, avocado, bone broth, walnuts, salmon, kale, spinach etc 💕
A cousin of mine who games all day started chugging protein for 3 years from 15-18. Dude became really bulky, like big, but not really muscular. Sometimes I genuinely can't tell if he's fat or 50.
I think a more correct term would be mass-growth, not muscle growth.
They didn't say it would cause muscle gain, they said prevents muscle loss. Those are two vert different claims
True, I did notice that & apologize for not acknowledging that part. But they also said "excess" protein consumption. Excess protein intake will cause fat gain because that's what excess calories from any source will do. Another commenter said that excess protein will be pooped out as long as the person is getting enough calories & nutrients from other sources, so that's something I've never heard before, but the bottom line is that excess calories equals fat gain.
Depends on how you are defining excess. Excess of 2000 calories yes. Excess of the daily reccomended amount of protein no not necessarily. It just depends on how the rest of their diet is portioned. You can eat 200g of protien a day and not exceed daily calorie allotments.
Really depends on their definition of excess
I got four hours of exercise today sitting on my arse
Protein has 4 calories per gram
Protein is only used as fuel in extremis, it's a dirty fuel and the body will poop what it doesn't need for repair if there's enough other calories coming in. Also only some amino acids are biochemically amenable to conversion to energy, whereas the 4cal/g figure is from burning it all in air. Protein does not turn into cake, you can however argue the excess is wasted, but how much is excess for a given individual is a hard question.
You're quite right about needing stimulus to grow, but the statement was about maintenance.
You can turn protein into cake I've done it
Fair cop.
Perhaps, but nobody in this thread argued it built muscle, only helps retain it if you're sedentary.
This right here. I would eat 3500-4000 Cals a day and LOSE 5 to 10 lbs over the course of field season.
i ate way more at a desk job than a construction job.
It's amazing what being able to afford food does to your diet /s
i made more in construction honestly
I made the comment assuming that was the case tbh 😅
Don't give the corporate shills any more ideas.
I'm a scrawny guy and i work the trades. I pulled some old equipment up some guys stairs alone and left it outside for him to dispose of. The guy had arms the size of my thighs. He genuinely asked me if I thought he'd have a hard time moving it into his trailer.
Id ask that sort of question to learn whether there are any considerations I wouldn’t offhandedly know about. We had an air compressor that DID NOT like being stored tilted. It would tolerate being tilted while moving, but would loudly complain for a few minutes after it started. I think we settled on a gasket being loose
Don't compressor motors have a lubricant oil sump at the bottom and rely on being upright to work properly? It kind of sounds like you were running it dry, before the oil had a chance to get back where it was supposed to be.
These sorts of things are why I ask open ended questions now. You could be right about the actual cause
He is. The general rule of thumb is that any device with a compressor should remain off for twice as long as it was tilted.
Yeah, pretty much all of them are built that way, and if they get tilted you're supposed to wait an hour at the absolute barest minimum, preferably 4-6, and ideally 24 hours, because the oil can work its way into the bits that actually compress and if you turn it on with barely compressable oil in the parts that are meant to compress gas it can just die
Visible muscles vs usable muscles
or something, idk
I don't understand where the muscle mass goes or what it does I guess. I can typically curl the same weight or sometimes more than someone with biceps twice my size. What is all that mass doing?
fast-twitch muscle vs slow-twitch muscle. they train fast twitch because aestetics and you trained slow because of usability.
Yeah I worked an extremely labor intensive job from my teens into my early twentys. I wouldn't have anything left in the gas tabk for the gym after those 10-14 hour days.
Is slow vs fast twitch just a way to describe muscle density?
Visible muscles vs stamina maybe