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[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 87 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yep. It's a shame. The overall product is great. But the violation and abuse of the AGPL is unacceptable.

[–] spitfire@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Violation of *GPL is bread and butter for most of 3D printer companies, locking out users out of features they paid for and used is terrible though.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 45 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If only a Prusa XL didn't cost more than my car...

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Use your XL to print a new car. Problem solved.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

In fact I would download a car.

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[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Not trying to be argumentative, genuinely wanting to learn. What other violations have there been (or are there currently)?

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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 56 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Let's add CAD.

I've been screaming to everyone I know... Use freeCAD or other opensource CAD systems or free form modelers like Blender.org.

People who don't know about Auto desk and PTC don't know how evil those companies are. They're dinosaurs and need to go. Let's opensource the future.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (18 children)

God, I long for the day we get a decent open source CAD program but we just arent there yet. Script-based cad like OPENSCAD is just awful, especially for anything complex and extra-especially for assemblies, and while freecad has improved massively it's still a very similar UX to Sketchup circa 2009 :(

CAD/CAM is one of the biggest underrepresented areas for opensource software, unfortunately largely because it's so damn hard. There's a reason basically every open-source polymodeling system pulls from Blender, and that's because it's the only robust opensource option out there that's usable (though blender UI/UX is notoriously terrible for good reason, even after 2.8 and 3.2).

And unfortunately blender isn't CAD software. Fun for noodly 3D printed parts and technically you can design functional components in it... but it's deeply miserable to do.

IDK I'm just screaming into the void. grrgh.

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Agree. Using freecad coming from Pro-E/Creo /Fusion 360/on shape/Solidworks is brutal.

[–] mortalic@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Its not only that the ui/ux is bad. It's that the people working the project seem to constantly rename, or change tool names which effectively eliminated every YouTube tutorial that came before. I've tried several times to get into it, and still recognize how necessary it is that it exists and thrives, so I keep trying. But ffs, be consistent.

[–] Dultas@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah FreeCAD has brutal usability. I use it on occasion but if it's anything overly complex I usually switch to Fusion360

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[–] KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Generally speaking, I will recommend software based on the audience's core competency.

As of FreeCAD 1.0 I can't in good conscience recommend against trying it, especially anyone that is new and just learning the principles of parametric CAD.

I get that it is still not as easy, and it's especially hard for old dogs to learn new tricks, but I feel anyone that is willing to learn how to use CAD in the first place can now learn how to use FreeCAD.

I have personally found it very fulfilling to learn FreeCAD in the last year and know I'm no longer tied to any source of enshittification in my 3D printing pipeline. (Shoutouts to MangoJelly and Deltahedran on YouTube btw.)

I also feel that as that audience grows for FreeCAD and its popularity rises, that in turn helps the users of the proprietary software. Healthy competition is important after all!

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[–] Decq@lemmy.world 79 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The whole Bambu Lab situation isn't really a surprise. Always stay away from companies that want to be the "Apple" of their niche.

[–] PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Start “open-ish”, gain traction, start abusing market position, start closing things off, become hostile to your customers…

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[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I never bought a Bambu in the first place because all of this was foreseeable. Bambu costumers simply didn‘t care at the time.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 8 points 3 days ago (5 children)

That's their market my brother bought 3 of them because he wanted to start a 3d printing business (with no additional planning so it did not last). Now I have one and my dad has one. I haven't actually set mine up because I have my old Creator X clone dialed in and don't really need anything more. Those two would probably never have gotten started if not for how easy the Bambus are. It took me a month to get decent results off my first printer and they were up and running in a few hours tops.

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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This goes beyond buying a printer. Most people buy a printer and then use it for years. I believe it's necessary to get away from Bambu entirely.

That means no maker world. That means aggressively discourage others from buying bambu or using maker world. That means calling out online creators who promote Bambu or any of their products. And yeah, it means call out designers who put their STLs on MakerWorld.

I believe it is necessary to send a very strong message that Bambu that does not and will not own the 3D printing community.

SirEDCaLot

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Oh yeah? Well I'm never buying one in the first place because these problems were obvious.

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

Same here, and I think it was also obvious to Jeff (from the OP), but I'm glad he bought one because he's in a position to raise awareness of the issue.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Haha was just about to buy one. Whats a good alternative hassle free printer that is still open?

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

Whats a good alternative hassle free printer that is still open?

AFAIK, Prusa is the leader in balancing openness, quality and ease of use.

Of course, since they're in the EU and pay their staff living wages, they are also more expensive.

[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

copied with some changes from another comment:

I can recommend the Elegoo Centauri Carbon, a CoreXY and enclosed 3D printer that is raved on by reviews. If you will only print PLA, PETG, and maybe some ABS with a bit of tinkering with settings, it's a nice option. They do now sell the "Canvas" as an add-on for the Centauri Carbon. It looks like it has, as of writing this edit, sold out, so it is certainly very popular! The CC won't be as good for engineering-type filaments though since it lacks a heated chamber.

The Qidi Q2 is an upgraded version of the Q1 Pro, the latter having been noted as an exceptional value. The Q2 is relatively new and doesn't have too many reviews, but from the specs, it is a big jump from the Q1 Pro (it has a heated chamber, for example). It includes a heated chamber, so it works better for engineering-type filaments. The Q2 is also compatible with their "Qidi Box" multi-material unit.

And of course, if you want the most reliable machine with the best customer service, you have Prusa's Core One. It's expensive, but you're supporting a company that emphasises upgradeability and manufactures their hardware in Europe. It won't be the best value though purely based on feature set, but if you like what Prusa stands for, that could be of value to you!

[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 days ago

Of course, Prusa will be the most open choice aside from something like a Voron kit, but Elegoo, Qidi, etc. will at least be more open than Bambu.

I believe the Elegoo CC uses a modified version of Klipper that isn't open, so that might be a concern for you. After a bit of searching, I found OpenCentauri, a project that aims to bring an open version of Klipper to the Centauri Carbon: https://docs.opencentauri.cc/

I think Qidi is in a similar boat, but haven't looked into it.

You might also want to check out Sovol, they make decently open printers too that are more affordable than Prusa.

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[–] doodlebob@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Snapmaker U1 has been great

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[–] Obituarykidney@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I don't keep up with 3D printer news or releases but I have a bottom of the line anycubic resin printer. Literally the cheapest I could find, and the thing is excellent. Prints great detail, invisible layer lines if I dial in the settings, really easy to setup and I can use any slicer, just load up the file on a USB stick and plug it into the printer and it goes.

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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago
[–] prenatal_confusion@feddit.org 8 points 2 days ago

I sold my x1c at a loss and got a core one when they announced Indx. It is less polished and I need to tinker. But it is ooensource all the way through and that is worth it. To me.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can I get a tl;dr for someone who isn't into 3d printing (yet)? I like to know about companies to avoid and why, but it'll still be a while before I get into 3d printing.

[–] ralakus@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Bambu lab a while ago came out with printers and an ecosystem that was very easy to use compared to other printers for the price. However, there were a few red flags like proprietary parts, software which required the cloud, and DRM chips in filament. Bambu lab promised they weren't gonna exploit any of that and that they will keep their printers and ecosystem open and all the red flags were just used to aid in user experience like automatic print settings for DRM chipped filament, easy to swap parts, and cloud monitoring and notifications. Despite the promise, they're still a corporation and thus went against their word and closed off 3rd party slicers and firmwares so you must use their cloud and their software.

You do not own the printers, Bambu does. So now you cannot install third party firmware on your Bambu 3d printer or use a different slicer. Everything you do on your Bambu printer goes through their cloud unless you take countermeasures and use old versions of software and firmware before the lockdown happened and you completely block internet access to the printers.

People saw these big red flags early on and called them out on it saying they're gonna lock down their ecosystem later on but people kept buying into Bambulab since they were so easy to use and got amazing prints out of them.

Tl;Dr, Bambulab released printers and software that were so easy to use for the price but came with many red flags. Bambulab ended up closing down their entire ecosystem so they have full control of the printers and you are at their mercy if you wanna keep using it.

[–] Benaaasaaas@group.lt 17 points 2 days ago

You also forgot that their slicer was based on AGPL licensed Prusa Slicer and at first they tried to avoid releasing their source. In general a lot of their work was based on open source hardware and software and they closed it down.

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[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 days ago (5 children)

The thing is that they've dropped the ball. There are quite a few companies putting out printers that are objectively as convenient as a Bambu, for a third of the price, and others, like prusa and Snapmaker that have upstaged them with tool changers, which are way better than MMU machines, with negligible material waste, and orders of magnitude faster for multicolor. The maker scene is also alive and well- Vorons, VZbots, etc. allow you to make impressive machines, if you have some skills.

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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

is he often buying 3d printers?

[–] DaGeek247@fedia.io 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I suspect how many printers he buys matters a lot less than the reach he has with his youtube channel for bambu's financial reports.

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Yeah, Jeff is one of the handful of seemingly decent, upright tech reviewers. He's pretty trustworthy, so if he says something is crap, a lot of people are going to take it as gospel.

[–] jivandabeast@lemmy.browntown.dev 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

(please someone correct me if I'm wrong on this)

Doesn't boycotting Bambu ignore that they are one of the biggest names in 3D printing with a product that is cheaper and better than their main competitor (Prusa). Frankly, I don't think anyone is going to spend 2x the amount for literally a worse product (Bambu P2S @ $550 vs Prusa Core One @ $999)

I get all the arguments about the repairability and longevity of Prusa printers, but when someone is saving for months to buy a luxury item I simply cannot see them making all those sacrifices

[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 24 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Turns out, the 3D printing world is thankfully NOT a duopoly. You have Qidi (their Q2 is very competitive from what I have heard), Sovol (makes a lot of good budget printers), Elegoo (lots of people love the Centauri Carbon), and even Voron machines if you're into those! And a majority of the competitors make good machines that can be on par, and often times cheaper, than Bambu's machines.

Additionally, Prusa not only is better for longevity, but you will also get far better customer support (Bambu's support isn't great)

Bambu is no longer to be trusted as they have been hostile to the open-source community, have blocked third-party software that used to work and hardware that people have bought, and no, putting it under a hidden developer mode doesn't fix the issue. There are additional restrictions like not being able to access your printer remotely without something like Tailscale!

And given that they already have RFID tags on their filaments, I believe it's a matter of time before they become the HP of 3D printers and block third-party filaments from being used

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[–] bss03@infosec.pub 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If you buy a Bambu P2S, you don't really own it. Bambu can see and control each file printed, and are suing anyone that attempts to rectify that change.

If you buy a Prusa Core One, you do own it.

The boycott just makes financial sense.

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[–] datendefekt@feddit.org 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Have to admit I'm out of the loop. If I do have a Bambu printer, can I still use it in LAN mode with OrcaSlicer? Can I still use current firmware or do I need to downgrade?

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

This guy modified the OrcaSlicer code so that you could still use it without being in LAN mode. Bambu sent him a c&d based on complete nonsense and he took the code down. Rossmann/FULU has since reuploaded it and told Bambu to come at him.

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[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I've had an X1C for a few years now. My router blocks my printer from communicating outside of my home network and my firewall blocks the slicer. I haven't had any problems. It sucks that the company is being shitty but they really do make exceptionally good printers. I'm glad Prusa is at least sort-of keeping up with them. I had a Prusa Mk3S for several years before I got my Bambu, they're extremely reliable.

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