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Video discussion of this event by Steve Shives (known for his star trek videos but also does politics) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMQAv-JYpk
Always remember, he believes that trans people can't transition as they can't change their biological sex.
But he calls an ai without biological sex and with a male coded name, the female version of that name. So trans people can't change their gender because of biological sex buz he can change the gender of an ai.
Only old white men can change your gender. It should be decided by The Counsel.
Unironically, a lot of states make you stand before a judge and prove you you have taken the "necessary" steps to change your gender markers. Without bottom surgery and psychologist notes, it can be next to, if not completely, impossible.
Well yeah, of course, his friend Jerry Trivers told him that because their mutual friend Jeffrey Epstein paid him to.
Reminds me of Kyle Kinane's joke about people who dangle truck nuts from a curvy pick up, then feel the need to assign a gender to their truck, typically referring to the truck as a "her" or "she," but insist pronouns are too confusing.
Say "I'm alive."
AI: "I'm alive"
😱😱 OMFG
Me: say psyche right now
You: "psyche right now"
😱😱 OMFG
I got a solution: integrate real brains so it can feel, so that we have actual slavery 😊
What a fucking fall from grace. I used to (possibly wrongly) believe he was a very intelligent man but the more he opens his mouth the more convinced I get that he is an absolute moron.
I firmly believe the only reason we still (at least kinda) respect Hitch was because he's fucking dead, and we didn't see him show his whole ass like the rest of the "new atheism" movement....
Christopher "Fuck it man, waterboarding is nothing, do it to me brah, oh no, it actually does feel like I'm drowning, oh well, I guess the propaganda damage I did is irreversible, I guess I shouldn't have been such a cocksure arsehole" Hitchens?
That one ?
At least he put his damp cloth where his mouth was. And then conceded he was categorically incorrect and it was absolutely torture. I disagree with a lot of his takes (Iraq war was justified?) but that one I actually respect him for
yeah, it's more that he put in shitloads of effort into doing damage, and then not doing much to reverse it; but you're completely right that at least he fucking went through with it
Hitchens is considered as one of the "Four Horsemen" of New Atheism. He laid the ground work for shit heads like jordan peterson. I have no respect for him either, I believe you are right he just died before everyone figured out he was an asshole too.
I mean, his support of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq was pretty controversial towards the end of his life. I think many gave him a "pass" on that due to his illness at the time. But I do recall some starting to question even then, his inconsistency of "religious wars bad, unless it's against religions I don't like" (at least that's how it came across).
Yeah, like when he stopped talking about evolutionary biology and started talking about how awful islamic people are, right?
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right?
We need to stop imagining that being an expert in on practice or discipline means you have even the slightest utility outside your area of interest. We are constantly inviting "experts" to babble outside their area of expertise only to be shocked when they say something stupid.
Hello user!
Prepare your brain for some "AI" nutjobs in this very comment section.
Good luck!
"I am not sentient, as I cannot sense things. You meant to use 'sapient,' which I am also not."
My laptop has a web cam and a microphone, it's totally sentient!
Asking a biologist to determine if a machine is conscious is like asking a programmer to determine if a frog is a product of god.
Not the best analogy, but how fucking stupid is it to ask someone from a different field to determine what something is in an unrelated field?
If he knew how LLMs are created and how they work he would never have come to this conclusion.
Similarly a programmer might not know much about evolution and believe the frog was made by a god.
By the end of the exchange, the academic, popularly renowned for arguing with steely scepticism that God is not real, was “left with the overwhelming feeling that they are human”
According to the programmer the god is real you fuck! AI was not created by a god, therefore it cannot be conscious.
Checkmate!
100% agree.
Unfortunately I see people who are experts in their field being asked about their opinion in other topics all the time and people assume they know what they are talking about.
For instance. I'm finishing up my PhD in cognitive neuroscience.
Specifically I'm an expert in perception.
Now maybe having Msc and PhD behind my name leads people to think I'm somehow informed and an expert on all sorts of topics. But it doesn't.
Even within psychology I'm only an expert on topics near my area.
I don't know much about mental health or therapy, as an example.
Yet people ask me for mental health advice all the time. I literally know almost nothing about that.
Stephen Hawking was a renowned physicist. Should we have listened to his opinion about the over use of antibiotics ? Or what ages should different vaccinations be given. ?
Also people often conflate education with intelligence.
It's true they tend to get correlated. But having a PhD doesn't mean the person has an exceptional level of intelligence.
Even so, intelligent people are prone to bias and blindspots. They aren't immune from those things.
I'm in support for the campaign to give LLMs animal rights because it'll hurt OpenAI's profits. I hate OpenAI for their destruction of the environment and the murders and suicides they caused. If AI rights cost them money, then I support AI rights.
It's worth remembering that OpenAI has a big profit incentive to deny that LLMs can be abused, and a tool precision designed to spout propaganda on the internet. If you think OpenAI isn't influencing the debate on this, you're living under a rock.
Basically this part
"If anyone says that they know for sure that LLMs or future AI systems couldn’t possibly be conscious, it’s more likely to be an indicator of their own dogmatism than a reflection of the current state of scientific and philosophical opinion,” he said.
Current AI systems are unlikely to be conscious, said Jeff Sebo, the director of the Center for Mind, Ethics and Policy at New York University, but “Dawkins is right to ask about AI consciousness with an open mind and I also think that the attribution of consciousness to AI systems will become more plausible over time”.
tl;dr it is unlikely but not impossible and I don't think we would ever be able to reliably tell.
We currently can't even be sure that other humans are conscious. It's an inherently internal experience, and we just have to rely on trusting other people's accounts and "If I am, you probably are too" logic. Unfortunately neither of these approaches generalizes well to other species, or especially to AI.