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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 4 hours ago

Muscle comes from latin and means little mouse.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Tried and True.

To you it probably means "tested and found to be reliable/trustworthy." An example, a few days ago the topic of a car without hydraulic brakes made the rounds. Hydraulic brakes on passenger cars are "tried and true," we trust them, and are skeptical of a vehicle without them. But that's not where the phrase originally came from; it's a centuries old woodworking term.

This is a try square. An OLD tool; examples survive from ancient Egypt. It's such a basic tool that it's often used as the symbol of the carpentry trade. "Try" in this case means "examine" rather than "attempt", more like how a judge "tries" a case than a jedi trainee "tries" to lift an X-wing out of a swamp. A try square is used to examine a board. For squareness, and possibly also straightness and flatness. A board that passes this exam is said to be "true."

"True" meaning straight, flat, parallel or even concentric is still in use to this day; "truing" a surface means to flatten it.

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 1 points 24 minutes ago

Side note about the brakes reference: that thread was frustrating because the headline readers were assuming the mechanical brakes were being deleted and relying solely on regenerative braking. They weren't. It was replacing the hydraulic portion of the mechanical brakes with electronic sensors and actuators. While I naturally have concerns about electronic failure, it's not like hydraulic brakes are immune to problems. I've had lines rust out and leak, pistons leak, pistons seize, lines clog, and slides seize. Very anecdotally, no failures of electric parking brakes.

Anyway, very neat etymology for both a term and tool I use. I never really considered "try" to be separate meanings between "attempt" and "test" because I took an "attempt" to be a "test" of ability.

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 1 points 2 hours ago
[–] mapleseedfall@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Seriously interesting. wood working is such an old trade im sure there are other words with roots on them

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 32 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

"Helicopter" isn't heli - copter

It's helico - pter.

Helico: Greek for helix or spiral.

Pter: Greek for wing, like a pterodactyl.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 hours ago

Thanks ☺️! I'm glad you like it! It blew my mind when I first learned it.

[–] ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

A hassle is a foreign inclusion in a wool top (what is spun into yarn), which is a real hassle to remove.

A skanky fleece is a wool fleece that is matted and infested with maggots.

The terms date back to the 19rh century.

[–] nightlily@leminal.space 14 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 28 minutes ago) (1 children)

Either „tea“ or „cha/chai“ exist in some form in virtually every language that has encountered tea, and the distinction between which was adopted generally has to do with whether it was first traded with the country by land (cha) from China or by sea (tea) from Malaysia.

[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 4 points 13 hours ago

So “chai tea” was invented when a very confused importer received two different shipments for the first time on the same day?

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

In Russian the days of the week are mostly numbers, e.g. Tuesday is the second day, so Tuesday is Вторник, which comes from второй (second) and the suffix -ник for day. But Monday is not перник as you would expect (первых + ник), instead Monday is Понедельник. This is short for после (after) не (not) делать (doing) -ник (day), i.e the day after not doing anything (Sunday).

In Finnish a tietosanakirja is an encyclopedia, this is a composed word made from tieto (knowledge) and sanakirja (Dictionary). But also sanakirja is a composed word made out from sana (word) and kirja (book). So an encyclopedia is a book of words of knowledge.

[–] Jonnyprophet@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

In English, the days of the week are named for Norse gods (or the pantheon)... All except Saturday. Sunday... The sun Monday... The moon Tuesday... Tew/Tiw, Norse god of war and justice Wednesday... Wodin (Odin), the all father Thursday... Thor, God of lightning and thunder Friday... Freyja, the lady, goddess of love.

Except Saturday. The Norse called Saturday laundry day. Laugerdagr. Great word actually....

But the English wouldn't have it so they went with the roman God Saturn for Saturday.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 1 points 4 hours ago

Lørdag is bath day. The vikings would bathe on Saturdays. Also laundry. I suspect it needed to be a tradition in order for people to get into the cold water without complaining.

The English Saturday is from latin, roman god Saturn.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

But the English wouldn't have it so they went with the roman God Saturn for Saturday.

And what makes this even weirder is that in the Roman languages all days are Roman Gods EXCEPT Saturday and Sunday. But there is an explanation for both these things, and it becomes quite clear when you know the days in some Latin language, e.g. in Spanish it's:

  • Lunes: Moon (Luna) day
  • Martes: Mars (Marte) day
  • Miércoles: Mercury (Mercurio) day
  • Jueves: Jupiter day
  • Viernes: Venus day

The interesting is the obvious conversion:

  • Moon day -> Monday
  • God of war: Mars -> Tew -> Tuesday
  • God of thunder: Jupiter -> Thor -> Thursday
  • God of love: Venus -> Freya -> Friday

Wednesday should have been Hermsday for Hermod who's the God of messages equivalent to Mercury, but I think they thought it was bad not having a day for the allfather and gave him Wednesday.

What about the weekend? In Spanish (and most other roman languages) they are:

  • Sábado: Latinization of Jew's Shabat
  • Domingo: Dominicus, i.e. the day of the Lord

As you can see at some point Latin languages started using their new christian religion to name days, but before that those days were:

  • Saturni: Saturn day -> Saturday
  • Soli: Sun (Sol) day -> Sunday

So as you can see the days of the week in English are mostly the days of the week from ancient Rome, just adapted to a different culture.

But why didn't they change Saturday and Sunday? My guess is that because the equivalent of Saturn is Freyr the name would have been too similar to his sister's day Friday. As for Sunday, in earlier Roman history the Sun wasn't an important god so Sunday might actually reference the sun and not the deity so no need to convert it. And in later periods the Sun represented Roman imperialism and centralized power so they wouldn't want that one changed. But these are just guesses from my part, if anyone knows the real reason I would love to hear it.

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 1 points 2 hours ago
[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

'Bully' used to mean good friend. There's a scene in Shakespeare (who else?) where he talks about someone sending his bully boys to teach someone a lesson, meaning he sent his close friends. But, over time, people took it to mean his thuggish friends and so the word's meaning shifted.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

This actually makes that "santiana" sea shanty song make much more sense.

You'll find it in a lot of sea shanties. I'm a fan of The Longest Johns, it's like every third song.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

“Son of a gun” is from when sailing ships would come into port. The sex workers would row out to them and have sex with an entire gun crew.

When the kid was born they didn’t know who the father was so he was a “son of a gun” aka a bastard.

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 1 points 2 hours ago

Nice, I didn't know that

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[–] TerdFerguson@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago

Care means 'heart' in french Coeur.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Denim= De Nîmes (from the city of Nîmes)

Jeans = Gênes , the French weird for Genoa.

The cotton weave, indigo dyed cloth originated in Genoa, and in France the main production centre was Nîmes.

So 'denim jeans' is both a tautology and a contradiction

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

The term "snorkel" is related to the German word for snoring.

Back in WW2, U-boats (and pretty much all submarines) needed to surface so that they would be able to run their diesel engines in order to charge their batteries because diesel combustion requires oxygen. One German scientist developed a way to get air without having to surface the boat. As this was a very big tactical advantage it was, obviously top secret. In order to not give away what it was, he referred to it by the sound it made i.e. that of someone snoring.

EDITED with new info from helpful Lemmings.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 hours ago

Alright. I looked it up some more. There's not a lot of information about it out there, tbh.

Germans did coin the term "Schnorchel" for the air pipe in WW2 submarines (although they did not invent it). Which then later was used to refer to the diving equipment.

https://www.dwds.de/wb/Schnorchel

It's derived from "Schnorgel" or "Schnörgel", which is an old northern german slang/word for mouth or snout

What is interesting, as far as I can see, "Schnarchen" isn't even super related to the same root as Schnörgel? And the real origin doesn't seem to be really clear and is being discussed. It seems to be more related to schnarren, which is "making a repetitive rattling sound"

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

ehh, I'd like to have some source for that. Because I can't find any.

The words "schnorchel" and "schnarchen" don't sound anything alike.

What I can find are some suggestions that with stem from the same germanic root word, but not that one stems from the other

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