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This was very informative. I was slightly sheltered from the nature of the server because I didn't log into my hexbear often and generally I just broswed the most popular posts. Thanks for the share.
This was very informative.
might want to consider that this information is coming from a place where people regularly rant about wanting to be free from 'degenerate roaches' 
but who knows maybe other things are a higher priority
It is one of the three major Tankie federations. Lemmygrad, Hexbear, and .ml. For starters, Tankie is a term originated as a pejorative on those that advocated for the Warsaw Pact invasion into Czechoslovakia in 1968. Nowadays, Tankies happen to be uncritical towards places like China and North Korea, viewing them as good places that the CIA lies about to make socialism look bad (let's not mention that China is more corporatist, even in Tankie responses when you point out that billionaires in China are a thing), and lots of them also happen to be campists, aka people that support a country as long as it claims to be anti-US. Don't get me wrong, the US did a lot of shit that is not talked about, but when you claim to be a Marxist-Leninist and support the theocratic Iran over the Iranian MLs...
And also, they love banning people they disagree with. Probably the most coherent thing about their ideology, given their authoritarianism.
I'm probably going to regret this question, but why do they need THREE instances
Lemmy.ml is the dev instance and is the most default of the three. While it hosts a lot of "default" communities, the devs/admins have encouraged creating more instances over one default instance.
Hexbear.ml comes from the former subreddit r/chapotraphouse and was created as a new place when the old sub got banned. They shitpost the most loudly out of the three.
Lemmygrad.ml is the most "academic" of the three. If you hear anyone say to "read theory", the discussion about it will likely happen there. It attempts to be the most serious of the three instances and actually tries to analyze some modern communist writings.
All three are banned in China, but lemmy.world can be read in China.
They're communists and anarchists, you were banned for defending an open fascist just because they fight for Ukraine:
You know that fifteen year old mindset when you just begin to grasp the idea of and your role in social responsibility but you're still fifteen so you're an absolutely obnoxious shit about it? Like "omg babies all abortion is bad". "Only white people can be racists" "shearing kills sheep!!!" level shit.
And you know how some people never get out of that because they like the taste of what they think is moral righteousness but is actually just huffing your own biased farts while defining random "acceptable" targets to abuse?
...yeahhhhhh.
Purity politics can eat my shit.
Spot on.
Hexbear and ml are notorious for this type of behavior. I wouldn't take it personally. They just act like authoritarian leftwing views are the only valid viewpoint and are incredibly thin skinned, especially when it comes to China and Russia. Consider your ban an informal initiation to lemmy. I got banned from one of their communities the other day because of something I said about Kamala Harris that they disagreed with. I also got banned from a different instance because I wasn't nice when someone picked a fight.
Being confused about the rules for all of the different instances is normal. Just do what you're going to do and don't sweat it too much.
banned from .ml for criticizing Stalin ⛓️💥🕊️🕊️
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Can't say I've ever spent any time inside the hexbear community, but all the external examples I've seen from them, not once have I ever seen anything remotely left wing. What they spout is pro-Chinese government, pro-Russian government talking points, and 0-100 death threats.
Authoritarian left, not libertarian left. Very into iron fisted centralized government.
There's nothing left about Russia as it is today. Fully capitalist shithole.
China's weird, it's more like an auth center government IMO. Very much still promotes capitalism and mints tons of new billionaires every year, but also has some sensible social policies and superb public infrastructure. Means of production are still mostly privately owned, but land is government owned so billionaires are free to billionaire, but you can't pass your home down your family forever without paying for it again since the land it sits on is on a 70 year lease which you may or may not get to renew.
IMO for the .ml and hexbear types, it doesn't really seem to be about auth left, it just has to be auth and anti-western. Even auth right is fine as long as it's not a western country.
I’ve been here for like a year but it does feel like being in highschool sometimes lol. I gotta work on regulating my emotions better.
Personal growth is always good, but don't blame yourself for getting pissed at a tankie.
lol. No skin off my back. I just have friends in the area so I took the particular post a little personally.
Yeah, you just kinda have to not take lemmy that seriously. There may not be a bunch of crazy right wingers on here, but there are plenty of unhinged people still lol. Poke fun while it's fun, and if a conversation/argument stops being fun, just block and move on. No one's opinion really matters on here anyway.
My experience once was the first time I blocked a community.
Not for being called out on their pillory (did google get that translation right? The medieval thing you get thrown tomatoes at) but for for butthurt they became for saying China has as many corpses in the basement as the US and essentially being contra to their world views.
No one on .world knows anything about Hexbear. They've never been federated with it and they love to pass around campfire stories that get more extreme with each telling.
Hexbear spent several years as its own community after r/chapotraphouse was banned. It developed technically in its own direction before being integrated with the fediverse. This also produced a distinct, insular site culture, where many topics have been discussed to the point that userbase ends up arriving at a consensus.
Politically, the instance opposes the US, critically supports China and other "AES" (actually existing socialist) states such as Cuba and Vietnam, and generally views Russia as an "enemy of an enemy," useful for breaking Western hegemony and moving toward a multipolar order, but not any sort of model to emulate.
They tend to not like it when people come in and assert their opinions without first hearing the community's perspective. And as I said, the culture is pretty insular with some people not liking the idea of federation at all. If you're strongly supportive of Ukraine, you're unlikely to fit in there. If you still want to see the memes and stuff, then I'd suggest dbzer0.
In dbzer0 defederations are rare, we had a community vote months ago to deferate from hexbear because of their bad moderation and the result was not doing it, the philosophy here usually is that if you don't like some content or community, just block them.
Though, dbzer0 has been overtaken by Tankies as well. That may be part of the issue.
I mean... I've seen more people saying that phrase, than tankies in my local feed, and I've seen some memes that looked like imperialist propaganda on the Lefty memes community being downvoted to hell, there are some tankies, but I still consider this instance an Anarchists one rather than one overtaken by Tankies.
The only event of that sort I remember was feddit.org
But they defederating from us, right?
A classical approach. That’s so refreshing.
Hexbear is where the r/chapotraphouse people went after they were banned from Reddit.
See also:
https://lemmy.world/post/1084297
So their vulgarity isn't just them incubating in an echo chamber for 4 years, it's a part of their ideology. That explains a lot.
Edit: Although, it is peculiar how 'accepting vulgarity as a valid medium of communication' manifests as 'being toxic to the out-group'
if I'd describe hexbear with 1 word, I'd choose "tankie".
if I’d describe hexbear with 1 word, I’d choose “tankie”
I’m 100% certain they are Russian psyop campaigns.
In general, the rules of the Lemmyverse confuse me.
We're a loose confederation of servers, so there's not going to be any overseeing group keeping everyone accountable to a general set of rules. If that is a bug or a feature to you is going to impact your enjoyment, unless you continue to have multiple accounts.
I only really have some others for when there are server issues or the handful of times I feel like checking in on something defeated from World, so it doesn't bother me often.
Can't you just make another user profile on Hexbear?
They are communists, in League with the remnants of such, Russia and China even though they are both now the worst capitalist hellscapes.
They are a sort of top-down organization, they have enforcers and they will troll you, they will troll you from other instances, they're rather known for it.
The people in charge are pieces of fucking shit, although they have a lot of users that are pretty cool, same as .ml it's the same people. Leadership, pieces of fucking shit, users, mostly cool.
How tf do y'all keep such close tabs on who the people are in charge of instances and the fact that they use alts from other instances to troll people and all this other petty gossip bullshit? How do you seriously keep up to speed with that nonsense?
I just scroll and comment, bro. 🤷♂️
They don't, they just like telling each other campfire stories about their favorite boogeyman.
I definitely felt like I was in a community where I belonged.
the places I like most are usually defederated from the larger communities.
I dunno bout y'all but 🚩