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[–] MattW03@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)
[–] nlgranger@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago

None of the competitors have great linux support and great gamepad support. I have no love for steam, for me it just happens to be the best platform from a technical point of view.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 23 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I get that we shouldn't be happy about any type of Monopoly but Steam occupies the PC gaming space similar to how Linux dominates the server space.

You can't really complain that almost every server running Linux is a bad thing. Granted Steam is not open source, but you have to imagine how little effort it takes to not make a shitty marketplace/platform as a competitor.

The fact that such a low bar cannot be surpassed by multi billion dollar companies is all you really need to know, especially when GOG successfully exists.

[–] JATtho@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago

Steam is a closed source market place blob that takes 30% middle man tax. Valve however has understood FOSS, and the contributions they are making are immense.

When a true FOSS project is dominating this means the people are in control of it. Not corpos nor is it a monopoly. People have voted by donating work for it to be the most successful thing in its applicable area. Dominating FOSS projects also suck up and integrate a lot of innovation greatly reducing duplicated effort.

FreeBSD is alive and well, and it even benefits from Linux's DRM GPU drivers.

Although the drm gpu drivers are mostly of a corporate effort, we are seeing an occasional interventions by the people "no, not like that" to keep the sometimes shoddy quality up.

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[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 10 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

ow Linux dominates the server space.

Linux is free. Free cannot be monopoly. Bad comparison here.

[–] IndieGoblin@lemmy.4d2.org 3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Free can still be a monopoly. There is still a controlling group that decides the direction of linux and then entire ecosystem moves with that direction.

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

None of that is a monopoly. Ecosystems have fragmented before because of decisions and Linux wouldn't be immune to it. Alternative forks of entire ecosystems happen.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago

If you stretch the definition long enough, sure.

[–] Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Steam is also free unless I'm missing something?

[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

They mean free as in freedom / free speech (libre), not free as in free beer / free robux (gratis)

Linux is libre, Steam is not libre, both are gratis

[–] Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 hours ago

Oh okay, thanks for clarifying.

[–] amos@lemmy.zip 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Steam is gratis to create an account, it is not free. All game purchases have a 30% tax, and you don't own the games you purchased.

[–] Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 hours ago

Thanks for clarifying

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Not tax, it's Steam's cut.

[–] Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 3 points 10 hours ago

It's more accurate to call it a commission for marketing, advertising, and distribution services. Steam isn't doing nother, they are providing a service to their customers.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to ask "are other companies bad?" when trying to determine if a company is a monopoly. One thought experiment I like to do is pretend the CEO dies and is replaced by Satan. How much damage could he do? If it's a lot, then probably you've got a monopoly.

Suppose Gaben dies, and he's replaced by Satan. Could he do damage to the gaming community by doing something exorbitant, like charging a 30% cut of game sales from the folks who actually develop the games? Could they do anticompetitive vendor lock stuff like only allowing you to purchase DLC through steam? Only time will tell. And it will, because at some point Gaben will die, and he will be replaced by someone less magnanimous and angelic than him.

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

There is the colloquial definition of monopoly, and a different legal bar for being declared a monopolist under US law.

To be declared a monopolist requires that a company actively seek to destroy other competitors through anti competitive behavior. Even if people mix terms, the general idea is that they’re not doing anything unreasonable and anti-competitive to gain their position in the market.

Or at least, I would argue that the thing they do is something the entire rest of the industry also does, and basically everyone else in the industry rejects the solution out of hand. Allowing radical interoperability between services would prevent network effects and user lock in on any given services. But, those companies who rail against steam the most don’t actually want a healthy market with a number of viable competitors, they just want to take steams place and be make lots of money by being anti consumer.

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[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

Yes, an evil ceo could do much harm by turning steam into the companies shooting themselves in the face. However, they are currently one of the only ones not doing that, so that's where gamers will go.

There's a difference between a monopoly that exists because all other options are shit and a monopoly that exists because of anticompetitive practices.

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[–] Warm_Bowl_of_Peas@lemmy.world 16 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

"Luigi wins by doing nothing!" ahh company 😭

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 points 14 hours ago
[–] uberdroog@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They don't allow ads in games. Support Steam.

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 3 points 14 hours ago
[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

I mean, yes.

  • Steam is a scary monopoly, getting scarier.

  • It's not their fault the industry (minus GoG) comitted mass seppuku.

Both can be true. One can worry about Valve, and use them hesitantly, while laughing at everything else.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 hours ago

It's not. You can still buy from the others if you want to be treated like shit, excepting GOG, in my opinion. Consoles are true monopolies, because you can only choose if you want to buy a console and marry to its store, now that physical media is becoming a rarity.

They have a big fraction of the market because they are efficient at selling what people want. I don't like it, I believe Newell, specifically, is profiting greedily from Valve's situation, but shit, this is not even a natural monopoly.

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[–] mabeledo@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Both Sony and Nintendo have been consistently posting record revenue numbers in the past few years. Neither are that far off Valve.

Regardless, this whole Steam circlejerk reminds me of the early days of Android, when people still believed that Google wasn’t “evil”. Let’s hope I’m in the wrong here.

[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 14 hours ago

The difference was that people pretended like Google ever had an option to “not be evil”. At the end of the day, they were a publicly traded company, and thus, line must go up, or else the collective hive mind of the public market would vote the leadership out and replace them.

Steam is private, thus, the current leaderships can ignore the demands of the public market hive mind. Private companies can be evil, but it depends on who owns them. They’re not guaranteed.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago

In fairness Google was just becoming evil at that point. It was a fantastic company when the founders ran it.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Google isn't privately owned. It's hard to be on the stock market and not be evil. I think Costco is the only one that has managed it for any appreciable length and that is under threat of death from one of the co-founders.

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[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 129 points 1 day ago (61 children)

It's still a monopoly though. The misconception is that calling Valve a monopoly, is somehow an attack on Valve or blames Valve. It's just a description of Valve's position in the market.

Also, shame on whoever thinks Valve won't ever abuse this position at some point in the future.

Funny meme tho, just being pedantic

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 hours ago

Will they? Probably. The thing is the others already did, and they even tried to hurt Valve in bad faith. The meme is good, but they take their shots at Valve before shooting themselves in their faces. I just hope GOG wakes the fuck up with Linux support, so I can buy more from them.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not being a monopoly that is illegal — if it were then all of "big tech" would be screwed. It's using a monopoly toward anti-competitive ends and enshittifying everything that is illegal...which is funny, because even that really doesn't seem to be illegal when you look around these days.

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