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[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 71 points 11 months ago

i hereby take back every argument i have made against veganism

[-] soupcat@sopuli.xyz 31 points 11 months ago

one of us, one of us

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 11 months ago

Grats on deciding to go vegan, lmk if you want some recipe suggestions.

also an oft overlooked area is dyes in food and cosmetics, some are derived from crushing arthropods :(

[-] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 11 points 11 months ago
[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago

:( but you said you took back your arguments. I assumed you thought it was something we should do from that

[-] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 8 points 11 months ago

Humans are inherently hypocritical.

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago

Well we're capable of being, but most people try to do what they think is right.

I would've thought if someone finds this horrifying they'd feel they don't have a choice but to change the source of their materials. It's pretty easy to start doing, even if you are overwhelmed with cooking or whatever start learning and just get plant based food when you buy ready meals or eat out etc, stop buying leather belts and shoes and so on.

[-] SimplyATable@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Or just start keeping in mind where your food is coming from. There are places that don't do things like this

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

Firstly you have basically no control over that. Any idea where the gelatin in a bag of lollies came from? what about rennet in your cheese? or even the milk?

secondly everywhere is doing shit like this. Profit is the motive, abuse happens. Everywhere goes to the same slaughterhouses and feedlots, chickens all come from the same factories, fish are all suffocated to death in a net.

[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

Hi I'll take some free information 😋

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

Hi, sorry I've taken so long to respond.

Just briefly what styles of cooking are you familiar/comfortable with? how much effort do you like to go to when cooking? and what kind of food do you generally enjoy?

[-] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

I'm a white American, my diet is mostly classic american derived from french and Italian cuisine. My first vegetarian cookbooks were focused on slow cooking beans into soups, stews and chilis. I like effort, I have the time and I like to learn and have fun. I guess the biggest problem in my diet is I dont like cold foods, so interested in making salads warm, or room temperature with a warm sauce or dressing? I think I like savory flavors the most, and I'm a fan of bitter, too.

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

Well I fucking hate salads (although I suppose you could argue everything I eat is one :P) so you wont get much out of me on that front.

So you're probably used to food that's pretty meat and dairy heavy, at least in a global sense. In terms of plant based variations there are a couple of key ingredients to keep in mind:

  • Cashews when soaked and blended, mixed with other things such as Dijon mustard, nutritional yeast, lemon juice, apple cider vinegar, salt, and MSG can be used as a foundation for many sorts of creams serving a similar role in food to diary based ones. Namely a rich fatty saucy thing, sometimes with sour or intensely savoury elements. You can even make true fermented cheeses using blended cashews + some extra fat. I've made a couple of killer blues! (it's a giant pain though and takes weeks so YMMV)
  • Nutritional yeast: sometimes called nooch it's yeast flakes usually from brewing yeast I think and enriched with a few things. It's quite protein heavy at ~50% by mass and thus tends to have a thickening effect on foods. It has a very savoury and vaguely cheesy flavour that can be further accentuated with salt or spices. A common quick little hack is nooch, cashews, and salt (+ MSG if you are a fiend like me) coarsely ground as a topping on dishes similar to parmesan cheese. Slowly heating soy milk and nooch with maybe a dash of garlic and tumeric (mostly for colour) can form the foundation of cheesy sauces in pasta dishes or similar too.
  • MSG: Don't be scared of it, it naturally occurs in lots of foods such as tomatoes and you likely have a lot in your diet as it's responsible for a lot of the umami in things like parmesan and meat or fish sauce etc. Often when cooking plant based people feel like things aren't quite hitting the spot unless they add a lot of salt. MSG is here to save the day! it's also been found to reduce total dietary sodium by making people salt food less than with table salt. Always add it slowly though, too much MSG makes things taste wrong in a way that's difficult to pin down. You can buy huge cheap packets in asain grocers or online.
  • TVP: This is a byproduct of soybean oil production, it's the protein from soy beans isolated with a bit of fibre. Generally when using it you might toast it first, then you soak it a bit and then fry it. Or you cook it directly into something saucy like a tomatoey pasta sauce. It is almost a drop in replacement for beef mince in many recipes and a great way to make something filling and hearty, just remember it doesn't have much flavour of it's own so should probably be used alongside additions like soy sauce (for umami) "beef" stock or similar. It should be very very cheap, if you are buying it from a white person grocery or a health food store you will get ripped off. I buy it online for the equivalent of about 2-4 of your dollars a kilogram and that's with the fuck you Australia tax.
  • Soy milk: It's protein rich and thus when cooked into food works pretty similar to dairy milk in terms of roux/white sauce etc. A lot of people don't like the taste so maybe use oat or whatever in your coffee but you can't cook shit with almond milk or oat milk etc.
  • Lentils: There's lots, a few quick tips. Red cook fast and can melt away into sauces or as fillings for pastries etc, green cook slow and add chew, chickpeas (and chickpea flour) are great for a vaguely nutty rich bite, black urad pair wonderfully with tomatoes for an earthy note.

Ok arcane secrets aside another principle is: make sure you include something rich each meal. If you do the arty-farty health food cafe "cauliflower steak" (retching noises) you will just be hungry and unsatisfied. You need to make sure you're eating the same calories and hearty food. In general aside from light meals you should aim to include something from {tofu, beans, lentils, nuts and seeds, TVP, oats} or similarly protein and fat heavy foods each meal. Nuts and seeds are very very very energy dense so be careful there, beans and lentils are approx equivalent to cow meat in terms of protein and calories (less fat though) and so can be used in similar quantities. You'll probably want to add a bit of oil to your cooking in various ways too when not using nuhttps://ohsheglows.com/ts and seeds to bump the fat up. Eat varied and you'll trivially hit your mix of amino acids, it's honestly not worth stressing about unless you have a vary narrowly focused diet.

Some blogs for your American palate:

  • https://lovingitvegan.com/ I love this lady, her food is practical and interesting, lots of american and a bit of tex-mex style stuff. Great starting point for more western recipes. Try her burritos or some of her pasta dishes!
  • https://thestingyvegan.com/ American style food mostly with emphasis on easy and cheap. I like the https://thestingyvegan.com/vegan-jambalaya/ as a go to meal prep for the week
  • https://ohsheglows.com/ very high effort arty farty food. Can be fun to experiment with or if you need to impress the inlaws. I usually find it too much effort
  • https://minimalistbaker.com/ traitor and renegade pitchfork waving but she has some more practical options for entertaining style stuff. Her 5 minute queso is delicious!

Further afield from what you're used to:

  • https://www.veganricha.com/ practical indian style recipes. Her cookbooks are the best laid out I've every seen btw if you like physical books. Typically you would assemble a traditional spread by cooking like a dhal, a dry curry, and a wet curry and serving them together for a few days. I love her stuff, can recommend unreservedly if you enjoy indian food and have wanted to branch into cooking it.
  • I would be remiss to not recommend you check out https://biancazapatka.com/en/vegan-pierogi-with-mushroom-filling/ and generally her blog is great for euro food. Polish is very hard to veganise (diet is dairy and preserved meat, dairy and preserved meat, dairy and preserved meat with some veggies cooked in dairy :P) but she does a great job with a few recipes
  • https://www.lazycatkitchen.com/category/recipes/ another more euro food blog this with more mediterranean and western styles.

I hope that's useful! Plant based eating is a lot more approachable than you often think, it can just require a bit of time to learn some tricks.

My one final parting message is that beans blended to a paste with herbs and spices make very satisfying dips, and you can make sort of sandwich or wrap fillings that way for practical options during the week.

[-] max@feddit.nl 33 points 11 months ago

People shocked about the horrors of of animal cruelty in the bio industry. More at 11. Tomorrow on our menu, probably steak or bacon. 😐

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 30 points 11 months ago

Do you want new prion diseases? Because that’s how you get new prion diseases.

[-] asbestos@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago
[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 50 points 11 months ago

Isn't animal agriculture so fun? Always some neat new horrors you couldn't even come up with

[-] asbestos@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

sweet human made horrors beyond my comprehension

[-] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

peeping the horror has never been less fun! (Though the amount of death has remained the same)

[-] 58008@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Every pig they feed in this manner is absorbing the combined knowledge of every pig that preceded it. I look forward to being treated fairly and kindly by our new superintelligent pig race overlords with decades of memories of human depravity and cruelty pre-wired into their brains from birth. I look forward to my very kind and gentle treatment indeed.

[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 23 points 11 months ago
[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

Eh, that’s more the spread. The cause is the misfolding prion. Mad cow can spontaneously crop up every now and then.

[-] oo1@kbin.social 22 points 11 months ago

Of course! We should've been eating the covid victims.
That's what big Pharma didn't want us to know.

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 17 points 11 months ago

Yup animal industry is fucking disgusting

[-] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You do know that pigs can and will eat anything right? They can digest a fucking human corpse in a matter of hours.

[-] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Keep in mind here they are also specifically feeding diseased and infected dead pig

[-] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

To build their immunity, yes. Sort of like a vaccine.

[-] calavera@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

So you eat a deseased meet to build up your immunity right?

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

I guess it's impossible to know on internet but they might not be a pig

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago

Source please.

No animal eats its own kind. And shit neither, if it isnt because or vitamin B12 or immense stress.

[-] calavera@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

Of course there are animals who kills their own kind, you can find it in a quick Google search.

[-] floridaman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 11 months ago

Cannibalism happens all the time in nature? Some animals eat their own children, humans are animals that do cannibalism on occasion, yes it's fucked up that we are feeding dead diseased pigs to other pigs but lots of things are fucked up too, and saying that cannibalism doesn't happen in nature isn't helping to solve the issue here.

[-] SchizoDenji@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Google savaging.

[-] averyminya@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

You must have never seen a mama hamster.

[-] Vegoon@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago
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[-] Vegoon@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago
[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

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[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago

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[-] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ever heard of the french delicacy named foie gras ?

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Banned in my country, it seems

[-] Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

As it should be. This thing is beyond animal cruelty.

[-] outer_spec@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

Hey, humans eat pork all the time, but god forbid pigs have some pork

[-] 257m@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

Well its a good thing I don't eat pork.

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