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Seen incels say to one another "don't worry brother were both gonna make it and get a cream colored white girl someday" creepy as that sounds.

Then you have instances like Elliot Rodger who drones on and on about blonde white women.

Is it because these are the types of women they see as having rejected them in high school? The blonde cheerleader type?

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[-] btfod@hexbear.net 61 points 9 months ago
[-] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 32 points 9 months ago

I think I forget how colonialism has made it seem as if western European white women are the pinnacle of beauty.

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 45 points 9 months ago

obviously that's wrong and the pinnacle of beauty is the girl reading this.

[-] blight@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago

statistically i think she's probably a white girl lib-status

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago

Always thought because they're racists obsessed with the purity of the white race and shit

[-] FearsomeJoeandmac@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago

Even incels who aren't white seem to have a weird fascination with white women.

Though I think I answered my own question in that it's probably due to lingering effects of colonialism and whites being broadcast everywhere as the definition of what is attractive

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago

They are. But they’re also self identifying as incels or have sympathy with them. They’re willing to murder a bunch of random white people because they love the white race so much

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

Lemme tell you about ww2

[-] oregoncom@hexbear.net 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Elliot Rogers was the result of a white supremacist white guy marrying and Asian woman. This made him insecure because about his looks for obvious reasons. He's an incel because of racism, not the other way around.

Also plenty of incels are obsessed with Asian women. I've met many of them in real life.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 34 points 9 months ago

I don't understand how you can know enough to ask this question without understanding that most anglophone-internet incels are so racist they make the Klan look like a HOA.

[-] grey_wolf_whenever@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago

Ive never seen the Klan and a HOA in the same picture im just saying

[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 32 points 9 months ago

Incel "theory" is rife with male hierarchy, and misogyny and valuation/objectification is a major part of male hierarchy. White women are at the top of the value list because of racism

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 31 points 9 months ago

Cultural conditioning to perceive Caucasian women as the ethno-hetero-normative standard in life. American cultural hegemony has also spread this cultural perception world-wide as a side-effect of the expansion of American Capital into foreign markets.

I believe a simpler way to put this, quoting Bambu, is that the standard of beauty is truly rooted in whiteface

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Bambu spits truth. Really wish we had his "AK crossed with a machete" logo as an emoji.

[-] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago

you mean my hierarchical aspirations toward gender also extend to race?

no, it must be the females whom are wrong

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

White supremacy causes white incels to feel entitled to white women then feel betrayed and self loathing when they don’t get white girls, and they become murderous when a non white guy dates them

White supremacy also causes non-white incels to feel entitled and self loathing because they don’t get white girls, and then they become even angrier when girls from their culture/race are put off with that behavior

[-] wahwahwah@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Non-white incels with debilitating internalized racism. I knew a Latino guy who was basically that way. He got into trouble for racially harassing these two black kids in his grade, which was ironic because his main victim was super pale (imagine Logic or Ice Spice) while he was really dark-skinned Chicano. He was insufferable to listen to, though. The only non-offensive thing he talked about was white girls, which was still pretty gross.

[-] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago
[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

These pair beauitfully

[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago

because they’re racist pieces of shit. simple as

Death to America

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago

I thought they were obsessed with Asian women that they perceived to be docile and submissive.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There are three types of Sexual Pathology Guys:

  1. Classical fetishist: Wants a white, submissive, whore-and-madonna wife because he believes in the purity of the white race and wants a nuclear family to live off the grid
  2. Nu-Fetishist: Hates white women because they’ve been rejected by them or perceive them as too brainwashed by woke communist/Jewish propaganda and only want 15 inch chad cocks and show their boobs everywhere. Wants an Asian wife because she’s perceived as docile and submissive and conservative. Also wants her to be a whore-and-madonna
  3. Reverse Nu-Fetishist: Hates [their group’s] women because of the same reasons as the Nu-Fetishist, but he prefers white women because she’s perceived as more intelligent and socially valuable

Notice I didn’t say incel because it’s generally a right wing pathology

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

TV and movies promised them they'd get a wife at some stage and they were generally white women.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

Cultural hegemony and mainstream beauty standards

[-] dolores_clitoris@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago

Men Who Hate Women

Happy reading

There are some specific incel groups for non-whites, they have to sidestep the white supremacy that is foundational to incel "theory".

[-] jaeme@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago

How could they be incels if they desire a relationship with another person? Sounds like they broke character lmao.

They're not obsessed with actual white women (or any romantic partner for that matter), they're obsessed with the rhetoric of patriarchy. Their anger is not that patriarchy exists but that they feel left out. They believe that they and only they can perfect it.

Inceldom is what happens when people recognize patriarchy but believe it to be so innate that resistance to it would be futile.

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

Incel means they want a relationship but can't get one. I think you're thinking of MGTOW.

[-] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago

I always played obrimos in MGTOW

[-] jaeme@hexbear.net 6 points 9 months ago

I see, I always thought that incels were suppossed to be some sort of stoic group and that them pining for a relationship was suppossed to be the mask off moment, but I see it's more complicated than that.

MGTOW sounds even worse.

[-] CindyTheSkull@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

@BeamBrain@hexbear.net is right:

MGTOW is older, I believe mostly GenX and to some extent Boomer, and was "a thing" earlier on where they tried to pass themselves off as a legitimate movement. "Self help for men" type shit. Even trying to influence law to get the courts to grant more rights to fathers in custody cases (which I admit is not 100% always a bad thing). Most of that is a pretense though, and it becomes immediately obvious when you talk to them that they are of course nothing more than flaming misogynists with a persecution complex. Again, they tend to be older so a good percentage of them have been married and divorced, often with grotesque sob stories about how their wives stole everything from them, and now they're struggling triumphantly to reclaim their masculinity or some shit. But it's just usual run of the mill misogyny and anti-feminism.

Incel on the other hand grew entirely out of internet culture, and so never had that earlier GenX-like air of legitimacy. They tend not to have ever had wives or even girlfriends, as one of their defining grievances is that they are virgins, and will remain so for the foreseeable future if not indefinitely. Hence "involuntary celibacy." It's not really a cohesive movement as much as a nebulous, twisted internet subculture with varying degrees of incels tying to make it a movement or coherent ideology. Like most subcultures they have their own terminolgy and sickeningly sexist language but are united really by their extreme hatred of women and a sense of shattered privilege because they suffered the social but very personal crime against them of not by default getting the hot /insert misogynistic slur/ to fuck that society always promised them.

That's how it's been as far as what I've come across anyway.

Edit: But lol, Incels are not stoic. They tend to be extremely whiny and entitled. They have no inner calmness, but a constantly simmering rage against women, and, as this thread and their violent rhetoric and actions makes evident that rage simmers for People of Color too. And often even a more general rage for society itself, but for misogynistic and patriarchal reasons, anything they can twist into being the cause of them being denied their god given right to women's bodies. They are the complete opposite of stoic. The NoFap movement which has some crossover with Incels tries to be stoic in some ways for obvious reasons. And there was crossover because NoFap offered a "cure" of sorts for some portion of Incels. To be clear, NoFap as a movement is also filled with misogyny and has some very weird beliefs bordering on esoteric about super powers and shit like that. But they also come with the generally good and obvious advice that if you are addicted to something, breaking that addiction can be beneficial. Specifically giving up an extreme porn addiction is undoubtedly a positive step for many of these men. But it's only one step among many needed to have any hope of breaking them of their pathologically patriarchal ideology.

I suspect you got the stoic part either from the joke we make of it here about being VolCels, (and fuck yeah we VolCels incorporate Stoicism in keeping our vital fluids to ourselves) or because of the Incel-NoFap venn diagram wedge.

[-] jaeme@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago

Thank you, that was informative.

[-] CindyTheSkull@hexbear.net 3 points 9 months ago

yw. I hope you feel nice and educated now. lol Even added a bit more with an edit. I actually wish I didn't know some of this shit, but I'm high and can't sleep, so why not go on a diatribe about the lineage and dogma of misogynistic shitstains?

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago

I imagine they wouldn’t be happy even if they do get to participate in the patriarchy. They hate themselves more than anything, as seen with their negative feedback loop in the community. They watch too many movies and anime and think some hot girl will fix their lives for them while they play Mario all day

[-] Fishroot@hexbear.net 5 points 9 months ago

because they want to be whites or are whites and they are birth of the nation-brained

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