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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
This trend of AI being a little more than mere assistants (a barely functional one at that) to replacing doctors is frightening.
Tech bros are as delusional as the AI they promote.
Horrifying thought: how many lack the mental skill to understand how LLMs function?
Making sure Americans still get some of the worst healthcare for the highest price !
Usual business "journalism"
“Undeniable proof that confidently uninformed hospital administrators are a danger to patients: easily duped by AI companies that are nowhere near capable of providing patient care,” Suhail told Radiology Business. “Any attempt to implement AI-only reads would immediately result in patient harm and death, and only someone with zero understanding of radiology would say something so naive. But in some sense, they’re correct: Hospitals are happy to cut costs even if it means patient harm, as long as it’s legal.”
That was a brutally sharp quote. I like it.
Public hospital
Has a CEO
How about replacing CEO's with AI?
It's the only function that is truly useless and easily replacable by AI.
People gonna die.
CEO will still utilize services of a human radiologist for himself and family
I can't wait for AI to recreate another Therac-25 incident!!! /s
i'm of the opinion that ai has already resulted in a newly born child dying already and nobody noticed
good opinion, and a dark one too.
A relative of mine almost died like that. The radiologist identified every spot the programme marked as suspicious as a metastasis and got the oncologist to stop chemotherapy because it was allegedly no use anymore. This was only reversed because of a doctor in the family who had a stern talk with the chief oncologist and made him look at the scans himself. If you want to be cynical, this could also be point for replacing diagnostic radiologists with AI. The other specialists need to look at the scans and x-rays themselves anyway.
Gambling on human lives should be a crime, not the foundation of a healthcon system.
CEOs think AI can do everyone's jobs because AI can do their job pretty easily, and they assume everyone else's jobs are as easy or easier than theirs.
Looks like this guy needs to be reminded of what the CEO of Five Guys recently said/did.
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Katz—who has led the 11-hospital organization since 2018—said he sees great potential for AI to increase access to breast cancer screening. Hospitals could potentially produce “major savings” by letting the technology handle first reads, with radiologists then double-checking any abnormal screenings.
Notice how this guy is focused on 1. Screening more people and 2. “Major savings.”
On the surface this seems really positive bc it means more people can get screened and it’ll cost less right? Nope, what he’s really saying is it’ll allow them to see more ~~clients~~ ~~customers~~ patients while paying fewer ~~peasants~~ ~~servants~~ employees which means more money for him. Who gives a damn if the ai makes mistakes and causes harm to poor people? He will still have access to real doctors and medical professionals who can guarantee the best treatment, so fuck the rest of us
The chief executive of America’s largest public hospital system says he is prepared to start replacing radiologists with artificial intelligence in some circumstances, once the regulatory landscape catches up.
Mitchell H. Katz, MD, president and CEO of NYC Health + Hospitals, recently spoke during a panel discussion held by Crain’s New York Business. The trained internal medicine specialist noted how AI is increasingly being used to interpret mammograms and X-rays.
This presents an opportunity to save on how much hospitals spend on radiologists, who have become more costly amid rising demand for imaging, Crain’s reported Thursday.
“We could replace a great deal of radiologists with AI at this moment, if we are ready to do the regulatory challenge,” Katz said at the forum, held on March 25.
Katz—who has led the 11-hospital organization since 2018—said he sees great potential for AI to increase access to breast cancer screening. Hospitals could potentially produce “major savings” by letting the technology handle first reads, with radiologists then double-checking any abnormal screenings.
Fellow panelist David Lubarsky, MD, MBA, president and CEO of the Westchester Medical Center Health Network, said his system is already seeing great success in deploying such technology. The AI Westchester uses misses very few breast cancers and is “actually better than human beings,” he told the audience.
“For women who aren’t considered high risk, if the test comes back negative, it’s wrong only about 3 times out of 10,000,” Lubarsky said.
Katz asked fellow hospital CEOs if there is any reason why they shouldn’t be pushing for changes to New York state regulations, allowing AI to read images “without a radiologist,” Crain’s reported. In this scenario, rads could then provide second opinions, if AI flags any images as abnormal. Sandra Scott, MD, CEO of the One Brooklyn Health, a small hospital facing tight margins, agreed with this line of thinking, according to Crain’s.
“I mean, I’m in charge of a safety-net institution. It would be a game-changer,” Scott said about AI being used to replace rads.
The discussion comes after Dario Amodei, PhD, CEO of Anthropic, recently made similar statementsabout artificial intelligence replacing rads. In a podcast interview, he falsely stated that AI has taken over the specialty’s core function, allowing doctors to focus more on the human side of the job. Radiologists roundly criticized Amodei’s remarks. Mohammed Suhail, MD, a San Diego-based rad with North Coast Imaging, said the same about Katz’s comments on Monday.
“Undeniable proof that confidently uninformed hospital administrators are a danger to patients: easily duped by AI companies that are nowhere near capable of providing patient care,” Suhail told Radiology Business. “Any attempt to implement AI-only reads would immediately result in patient harm and death, and only someone with zero understanding of radiology would say something so naive. But in some sense, they’re correct: Hospitals are happy to cut costs even if it means patient harm, as long as it’s legal.”
It better be cheaper for the patient too.
Not a chance
I've been thinking that AI is a joke and can't replace half the people we're told it can. What I'm beginning to see, is that these assholes are going to replace us with AI anyway! They don't care if it performs horribly, as long as it costs a little less than a human.
Hello Therac-25, what are you doing back here? 💀☢️
In other news Americas largest public hospital sees record breaking wrongful death lawsuits against CEO.
There seems to be two extreme camps surrounding AI right now. Those mounting a Butlerian Jihad against it and idiots like this CEO who think it can replace human oversight. Everybody has gone mad. It can be a useful supplemental tool and it doesn't need to be destroyed but it can't even replace a writer of children's books much less radiologists. AI is and always will be a dumbass machine. It can never replace a human especially in the state that it's in now.
I'm not opposed to AI, I'm opposed to the arse wipes trying to roll out an immature technology into critical scenarios with minimal oversight. I feel like most people who would describe themselves as anti-AI would agree that the problem is more about the socioeconomic context of this tech rather than the tech itself
That’s the thing. If AI can’t replace humans and take their jobs because it can’t be trusted to work properly in science and engineering, and it produces highly derivative crap in arts and literature, then there’s no socioeconomic context. Photoshop was a greater socioeconomic threat to painters and air brush artists than AI is to musicians and software engineers.
The problem is when people are up in arms about socioeconomic justice, nobody is warning the CEOs that they’re buying a pig in a poke, an ADE 651. This CEO is going to get people killed because he’s dismissing legitimate concerns as FUD from Luddites.