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[–] zd9@lemmy.world 89 points 5 days ago (3 children)

“The full reopening of the Strait is something the Administration is working towards, but the core objectives of the operation have been clearly defined for the American people by the Commander in Chief,” Leavitt said.

No the fuck they haven't. He doesn't even know himself other than whatever Israel said to do, otherwise they'll release the videos of him raping children.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You know, I’m not even sure I’ve heard a straight line about what exactly they’re trying to do and what precipitated starting the war.

There’s been talk about wanting regime change and halting the Iranian nuclear program. But both of those things have been around for what, like 20 years? And the nuclear deal was being worked out over a decade age before trump threw a fit and ripped it up.

Most wars have a very clear “they did this to us so we have to do this to them in order to secure… blah blah blah.” But with Iran we didn’t really get that. I just woke up one day and the headlines were “surprise, he started another war in the Middle East, checkout this new TikTok trend”

At least bush had the intelligence to lie about WMDs. Trump just threw a fit and seems hell bent on collapsing the global economy for no reason other than the US hasn’t been bombing as many brown people as it once did.

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Trump just threw a fit and seems hell bent on collapsing the global economy for no reason other than the US hasn’t been bombing as many brown people as it once did.

I don't think it's just because "brown people bad". I think his goal is to crash the global economy so he and his buddies (controllers) such as Miller, Vought, Kevin Roberts, Thiel, Andreeson, Musk, aka the technofascists (a la Curtis Yarvin), can get their hands in the system from the ground up to extract even more value from everyone and further control pretty much all of society.

It really sounds crazy, but they are very vocal about it. Please read, save, and share this info from vcinfodocs.

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Sure they have - Baby gets what Baby wants. If baby wants the objectives of a war to be Iran sends him a cool fire truck to play with, that's how he defines "winning" the war that day.

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[–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 56 points 5 days ago (7 children)

This could literally be mentioned in the historical annals of idiotic military blunders in history.

Hey Republicans lurking on here, way to fucking go guys. You're so fucking stupid that you collapsed our reputation in the world and now we're a fucking laughing stock and because of your seemingly infinite level of abject idiocy, we now are legitimately in a national security crisis because of this wanton waste of our national defense assets.

Great fucking job, morons. Take a fucking bow.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

Some have said that when this war is over, it will be a different world.
But that is not the whole truth, because it is already a different world. The image of the invincible US military is in ruins. This war with Iran can turn out to be nearly as disastrous for USA as the Russian war against Ukraine is to Russia.

Zelenskyy has been on a charm tour to the Arab countries, and offered help to defend against the Iranian attacks, that USA has failed to defend against. And hopefully this will result in significant Arab investments in Ukrainian industries.
These investments are most likely to be drawn from US investments.
When the Ukraine war is over, Ukraine will very quickly become member of EU. And Ukraine will prosper fast with strong know how, and a strong will and help to rebuild after the war.
As a member of EU, the enormous goodwill and prestige Ukraine has earned, will benefit EU too. And EU will be stronger than ever. While USA risk to lose the petro dollar because they fucked up in the middle east.

USA is not losing the war in Iran, because it's already lost. Unfortunately for USA, there is no graceful exit, so chances are that USA will escalate instead. But that will only make it worse for USA. With even more losses for USA in lives money and prestige.

The big immediate winner is of course China, but EU might actually also win from this in the long run. And the sure loser is USA.
Even Iran will benefit, the oil export sanctions against them have already been lifted, and they will keep control of the Hormuz strait.
A new deal between USA and Iran will be on Iranian terms not American.

Funny how this was predicted 2 years ago?

China's Nostradamus" Made 3 Trump Predictions In 2024. 2 Already Came True

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/who-is-jiang-xueqin-professor-behind-viral-trump-iran-prediction-11170722

The headline is misleading though, because USA has already lost the war, so all 3 came true.
I actually went back and watched the original video, and it's spot on, there can be no doubt about the accuracy of his prediction.

[–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 4 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I think this next century is going to be that of the middle powers.

Countries that are agile, looking to innovate and solve problems, and work towards equitable futures for everyone.

America is all in on oligarchy and the nouveau riche, and nothing else. There is zero investment in the common good and zero care for the nation as a whole.

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[–] rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Reopening Strait of Hormuz Not Vital to Ending Iran War

Then may I ask what is exactly?

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

Then may I ask what is exactly?

since Nixon the main US indutsrty is its war machine.

Fast intercity trians ? no, high quality public tranport ? no ? healthcare for all ? no. These were all discarded for the military industrial machince. Everything falls into place when you accept that. its noy 4D chess, the entire point of this is to expend munitions, that's it. Trillions more $ now needed.

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Brickhead92@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You won't know secret third thing, it goes to another war in Canada.

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[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 23 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Is Trump going to say that Iran agreed to his terms without any proof? Is he going to bomb them again for not respecting the terms they agreed to in his mind?

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You think presidents do this? Just go on Truth Social and post lies?

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[–] axexrx@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Hes already done those. The next step is to impose his own blockade on the straight, and claim it doesnt matter what Iran does, America closed the straight until HIS demands are met!

[–] tackleberry@thelemmy.club 8 points 4 days ago

That's been his MO every Monday for the past 4 Mondays

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 24 points 5 days ago

So let me get this straight: You went to war to make things worse?

Yeah, for MAGA, that tracks.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 27 points 5 days ago (14 children)

The MAGA US needs to lose this one.

[–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Trump already has lost. There's a Khomeni in charge of the country who is even more hardline than the last with a long queue of replacements should he get killed, they've not surrendered, they're not negotiating and they're only letting through ships they choose to. They're still firing missiles at every Arab nation with a US base in it as well as at Israel. They're still selling their oil. And now the Iran supported Houtis in Yemen have kicked off too, also lobbing missiles at Israel and threatening closing off the Bab al Mandab Strait which is the access to the Red Sea that'll cut off access to the western oil pipelines Saudi Arabia has.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Done and done. This was admitting defeat.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (9 children)

If you spend billions and end up with that path blocked, I don't think you can say you "won".

Of course you can finish the war capitulating or losing too.

I'm starting to think either Trump or his acolytes don't really think.

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 29 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Leavitt signaled that Trump may achieve those objectives by mid-April. “The Pentagon has always stated four to six weeks as an estimated timeline for Operation Epic Fury,” Leavitt said in the White House briefing room. "We're on day 30 today—you do the math."

My math says it's taking y’all a lot longer than you fooled yourselves into thinking.

[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

In May: … was always a 6 month timeline for Operation [~~Epstein Files~~] Epic Fury

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[–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Cool we’ve entered the, “I don’t want it anyway” phase of this bullshit. not sure where this places us in the timeline, but we all know the last step is hyping the massive victory of fixing the problem created by the administration.

[–] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The Narcissist's Prayer:

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal. <-- We are here
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago
[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago

The guy throwing military parades for himself capitulates and leaves Europe to clean up the mess. Much Wow

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago

Somehow whatever he can't do, or doesn't benefit him, magically doesn't matter! It's like a superpower!

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 22 points 5 days ago (4 children)

"but the core objectives of the operation have been clearly defined for the American people by the Commander in Chief,” Leavitt said."

What objectives!?

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[–] J92@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Retaining Saigon not vital to ending the Vietnam war.

[–] Foni@piefed.zip 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If he doesn't open it within a couple of months at most, the bulk of oil is going to start being traded in yuan (it's already starting to happen) the gulf states are going to start liquidating their U.S. debt and the investments they've made across the global economy. The problem could spiral out of control really fast. The guy's a total idiot, but I assume they've explained it to him with little cartoons or something and he's finally understood that this time he can't just walk away and claim he won

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 days ago

You seem to expect that those around him understand the situation any better. This term, he purged anybody who knows shit about anything. Hell, he put a fucking Fox News host in charge of the military.

[–] BC_viper@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (4 children)

America is good at not admitting they lost a war. Just ask any war since ww2.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Ending any war isn't their goal. We are the single largest arms manufacturer and seller on the planet. Our economy is war. This whole machine supports our pillaging and our governments priority is spending tax dollars for weapons from their clubs companies, then they turn around to the construction side of the club and give their friends contracts to repair everything they destroyed. Wait 20 years and rinse and repeat.

Mass murder for profit is our country's legacy.

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[–] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

He really doesnt understand the global markets are interconnected and prices rising on inputs to American products due to logistics costs are the least of our worries.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

He really doesnt understand

ima stop you there only because anything after is extraneous. ;-)

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

well that is a relief... now all the US service men being sent to the meat grinder will die to attempt to reopen a Strait that is not even vital to the war effort

[–] tacoplease@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

As sacrifice to the great state of Israel

[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

"Great progress has been made ​but, if for any reason a deal is ⁠not shortly reached, which it probably will be, ​and if the Hormuz Strait is not immediately 'Open for ​Business,' we will conclude our lovely 'stay' in Iran by blowing up and completely obliterating all of their Electric Generating Plants, Oil ​Wells and Kharg Island," Trump wrote in a ​social media post.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-again-warns-iran-open-strait-hormuz-2026-03-30/

Hell of a reaction to something that is not vital.

[–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (8 children)

TACO Trump Tuesday strikes again. Trump makes threats, those he's threatening laugh at him, mock him and ignore the deadline, Trump chickens out and tries to make up something else to hide the fact he's failed.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Right, right... Now, about all that child rape...

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[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Are we getting an another historic "👍Mission accomplished👍" before midterms?

Does US have a carrier big enough for Trumps ego and fat ass, or do they need to rename one and pain it "tacky fake gold".

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