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Uru is a metal ore from the first moon in existence, and has existed since the beginning of the universe, being said to be rubble from the rock of creation and the strongest substance in all the realms.
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and the strongest substance in all the realms.
Until it isn't.
Damn even the metallurgists have to watch out for power creep
I mean, they've been having to do that since the chalcolithic.
Damn Catholics get into everything, don’t they?
That is how our cars manage to convert gasoline into energy.
Ah, thank you. I was looking for the expression "power creep" to describe this phenomenon. In Japan, we usually call it "power inflation," and I couldn't remember how to say it in English!
You fool! I have only been fighting at half hardness!
So it's strongest than the actual rock of creation? Also funny that it was there since the beginning but it's in a moon. A moon that existed before the planet the moon is a moon of? That's not a moon lol.
The moon was made up of rubble from the rock of creation. It doesn't say it existed before its planet.
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Hey, at least its better than the placeholder; Unobtainium.
Hey I've heard that we can't obtain that anywhere. It's pretty rare.
What's it used for? We don't know! Just that it's rare and thus valuable!
when I was reading comics admantium was stronger than vibranium but vibranium had this unique quality with resonance and was used in a lot of sonic type devices. caps shield was made from an alloy of both that much like the experiment that created him only worked once and they have never been able to repeat it. The shield was considered much stronger than admantium and the vibranium is what allowed for its ability to bounce around. It was considered indestructible.
You and I must have been reading comics around the same time in the previous century! I recall the exact same thing, right down to the details.
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Nothing beats Unobtanium.
I swear, when I first heard that, I was out. I've despised every Avatar movie because of what is possibly the stupidest artistic choice in cinematic history.
You spend a billion dollars on a film franchise, and best you can come up with is Unobtanium? Go away.
I'm pretty sure they meant it as a meta joke. Unobtanium has been used to describe fantsy/sci-fi fictional plot relevant material for many years before either Avatar was made.
Maybe, but that would be as dumb as calling it a MacGuffin, which is basically same thing in suspense thrillers.
"Let's invade this planet and kill everybody for a MacGuffin!"
It's not like he worked that hard at the story. The plot is literally Ferngully, and the name was already in use in another animated series. He was clearly more interested in creating a vehicle for his film tech, which he obviously cared more about than that clumsy story.
I don't know, I mean, look at the naming that some tech companies use IRL. They use some pretty silly names. The idea of a company finding a metal that's sci-fi grade and calling it Unobtanium as a nod to their love of sci-fi isn't that crazy.
I was about to say, we live in a world where Big Brother is about to be fully matured and is unironically named Palantir. I really don't know what else to say, like the point should be clear.
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In real life, poor imagination is acceptable. In a billion dollar movie, we expect better than real life.
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you were watching Disney's Pocahontas in space with tall smurfs. have some whimsy.
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Per the internet, so grain of salt and all, unobtanium predates Avatar by some time, typically used as a brainstorming device. You know how a physics problem might say "assume a frictionless environment" or something of that nature, in order to focus on a specific point or phenomena? Unobtanium is sort of like that. Picture a bunch of aerospace engineers in the mid-50s, talking about how they're gonna put a person in space. They're throwing all their spaghetti against the wall, hoping some of it will stick. One guy stands up and says, according to his calculations, if they can get the mass of the launch vehicle down to X, he's confident they can do the thing. Unfortunately, material science being what it is at the time, there is nothing that would be light, strong, cheap, and workable enough to fashion such a vehicle, but the math all checks out. These engineers jokingly start referring to the hypothetical material that would satisfy all their needs as "unobtanium", while they search for practical solutions.
Fast forward 60 years, and Cameron is writing his Pocahontas in Space movie. He needs a name for his MacGuffin, but, being a MacGuffin, it's entirely irrelevant to the plot outside of the fact that the characters are destined to fight over it. So, he decides to call it unobtanium, since that's pre-existing shorthand for "rare material that does everything you need it to", and that's literally all this material needs to be for the plot.
It's still silly, sure, but no more or less silly than mechs fighting giant blue people that fuck via ponytail sounding.
Yeah, but it's like if a movie was trying to be taken seriously, but literally called its macguffin the MacGuffin. It would take you out of it every dramatic scene because they're just using the plot device by the word for the kind of plot device it is. Unobtanium is a real world term for something partly defined by not really existing. You can make up a stupid but plausible name and people won't mind (Marsium, Pandorium, etc) or you can go with something wildly implausible like making up an alien word for it (bonus points if you then give it phonetic decay into english) and nobody cares or even thinks it's cool. But this snapped people out of it a bit because nobody would call a material they're actively mining unobtanium, worst case they'd give it nicknames.
And it also just fell right into this spot where the setting felt carefully constructed though fantastical, but the plot felt like an afterthought, and here's a piece of the setting that clearly only exists for the plot and it's loudly announcing that fact with its really stupid name.
I listened to a steampunk opera years ago where the thing they were all fighting over was called an MCG. It took reading the writers notes afterwards for me to realise it was literally a MCGuffin, I did not feel smart that day.
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Surprisingly, it's the most realistic part of the movie. If you know scientists, if they have a concept for a perfect thing that can't be found, and then they find it for real, they're calling it unobtanium for sure.
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Stan Lee after the meeting:
Didn't vibranium come first? 🤔
Either: Daredevil #13 (Feb 1966) or Fantastic Four #53 (Aug 1966) (depending on which vibranium we're talking about, yes, there were TWO of them...)
vs.
Avengers #66 (July 1969) (Ultron's body)
2 vibraniums? please do elaborate! I don't have the patience to read all the comics but I'm a sucker for this kind of lore details.
So a metal called "vibranium" was first introduced in Daredevil as an 'anti-metal' that melted all other metals.
The second vibranium, from Wakanda, is the one everyone knows about. I think they just recycled the name from Daredevil.
Yeah, not to yuck anyone's yum, but this has been one of the reasons why I always thought fiction in general, but in particular superhero stories, anime etc., wasn't that interesting.
Like, wow, you thought of some arbitrary description for how the villain is by far the strongest. Except for that other villain in the next episode, of course, who's even strongester. Oh, and did I mention that our hero is a total weenie, but somehow also stronger than these guys? Crazy, isn't it?
I know, you're supposed to indulge these stories and not question them too much, but pattern-recognizing brain says no. 🫠
A super-powered character could have boring stories like that. What matters is the writers coming up with interesting questions that make readers think. Having super-powered characters simply opens the door to different questions.
It's why Superman has endured. Interesting stories
isn't that just a problem of looking for bad authors?
"Holy Generalizations Batman! That guy just yucked our yums! Doesn't he know fictional worlds allow writers unprecedented freedom to explore the human condition!?"
"No time for that now Robin! The Joker just broke out of Arkham again, and he's practicing unlicensed dentistry!"
Yeah, not to yuck anyone’s yum, but this has been one of the reasons why I always thought fiction in general, but in particular superhero stories, anime etc., wasn’t that interesting.
That's an awfully broad brush. A lot of the better science fiction (and there is an awful lot of really good SF) speculates on what would happen if a particular technology existed. You could say the same for super hero stuff, though that's often closer to fantasy. Yes, there are lots of examples of sloppy writing, and super hero franchises that go on for decades tend to have at least moments of ridiculous ability creep, but it's inane to say that things like More Than Human by Theodore Sturgeon, Blood Music by Greg Bear, or To Sleep In A Sea Of Stars by Christopher Paolini aren't really good fictional stories about people with special abilities.
Wouldn't Marvel cross the line from Science Fiction into Science Fantasy? Ignoring the metal debate for a minute, we've got litteral gods, a sapient tree, a rock man, a guy who shoots lasers from his face, and a thousand other absolutely nuts things.
~~Science~~ Fantasy.
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Most of the fiction I’ve been exposed to (which is a lot, I enjoy it very much and always have) isn’t like that. They don’t just describe someone as strong or evil, they describe actions and events and emotions from a specific perspective and let you come to your own conclusions.
I guess if you like stuff made for kids, teens, and young adults, you’ll run into that problem a lot more, but it’s not actually an overall problem with fiction as far as I’ve noticed. I’ve never really liked young adult fiction though, because it’s lacking in depth, much like you describe.
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Not a big dragon ball z fan, I take it.
It's not so much a problem plaguing fiction in general, but fiction that runs a long time.
If it's a contained story with defined end that comes relatively soon enough, the stakes can be relatively fixed, arcs can run through to a logical conclusion, etc.
If you have unending, soap-opera like story, then you hit problems. Characters can never actually be fully realized, they have to have their development paused. Any romantic 'will they/won't they' gets ludicrously drawn out. You usually get tougher plot armor because fans are really attached, or a revolving door of characters that you don't get attached too, or people inevitably managing to be alive after having died. You have power creep where insurmountable challenges get overcome through progress and then something has to reset the new capabilities to table stakes.
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Shouldn't this be reversed? Vibranium was first, then Adamantium and it was stronger. But it's heavier and doesn't have the same properties.
Uru is the strongest, but it's a rare cosmic material.
They also gave mutants a rare cosmic material that they can get by folding space or something.
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Iirc, isn’t one made with the other? I genuinely don’t know which.
No, you're thinking of Captain America's shield (in the comics) which is made of an alloy of both adamantium and vibranium that they've never been able to replicate. AFAIK Adamantium is stronger but more brittle, whereas Vibranium has the extra wacky properties, like absorbing "all" incoming kinetic energy (except when it doesn't.)
Yeah i thought adamantium is the alloy that's made from vibranium metal, but that's mostly my head canon. I have no real information.
Marvel power scaling in a nutshell—there’s always someone 20% stronger 😂
This is why I've just never liked super hero universes.
In isolation, it's passable, fun even, and I've enjoyed some marvel stuff.
When they actually try to do world building, it's just so, so bad.
This is my opinion, apologies to those who generally like the Marvel universe, but I just can't stand it. (Based on the handful of films I've seen or heard about).
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