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Police raid Moscow gay bars after a Supreme Court ruling labeled LGBTQ+ movement ‘extremist’ (apnews.com)

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Russian security forces raided gay clubs and bars across Moscow Friday night, less than 48 hours after the country’s top court banned what it called the “global LGBTQ+ movement” as an extremist organization.

Police searched venues across the Russian capital, including a nightclub, a male sauna, and a bar that hosted LGBTQ+ parties, under the pretext of a drug raid, local media reported.

Eyewitnesses told journalists that clubgoers’ documents were checked and photographed by the security services. They also said that managers had been able to warn patrons before police arrived.

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[-] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 222 points 11 months ago

To everyone cracking jokes about a gay uprising, it's a lot simpler than any of that.

They just want to exterminate the gays. Like literally. They want to find that portion of the population and destroy it, because they think it's disgusting and evil.

That's it. Putin and the Russian conservatives are going after gays because it's an easy win with their conservative base, and they can claim moral superiority. Also distracts from Ukraine.

If you are gay in Russia... Its a very bad time to be gay in Russia.

[-] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 85 points 11 months ago

American "conservatives" are over here drooling at the possibilities.

[-] Kepabar@startrek.website 16 points 11 months ago

Florida here checking in.

Our government is hard at work on this.

Check out this pending bill up for vote during the next session: https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2024/599/billtext/filed/pdf https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2024/599/billtext/filed/pdf

Essentially it makes it illegal to be transgender and have a job in government or government adjacent.

Here is an excert: It is the policy of the state that a person's sex is an immutable biological trait and that it is false to ascribe to a person a pronoun that does not correspond to such person's sex. This section does not apply to individuals born with a genetically or biochemically verifiable disorder of sex development, including, but not limited to, XX disorder of sex development; XY disorder of sex development; sex chromosome disorder of sex development; XX or XY sex reversal; and ovotesticular disorder.

An employee or a contractor may not be required, as a condition of employment, to refer to another person using that person's preferred personal title or pronouns if such personal title or pronouns do not correspond to that person's sex.
An employee or a contractor may not provide to an employer his or her preferred personal title or pronouns if such preferred personal title or pronouns do not correspond to his or her sex.
An employee or a contractor may not be asked by an employer to provide his or her preferred personal title or pronouns or be penalized or subjected to adverse personnel action for not providing his or her preferred personal title or pronouns.

It continues on about not being able to fire people for thinking being gay is a sin and so on, but I don't want this to be a novel.

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Well, if gay people weren't sabotaging electric substations, mass murdering innocent people and attempting to overthrow our government...., oh, wait!

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[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

This is just standard fascism. They need a constant stream of enemies weak enough that they can't defend themselves. Whom they can paint as responsible for all a societies woes.

Fascism 101. We see Republicans employing that heavily here in the United States.

[-] lattenwald@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

They need a new enemy every now and then. If the current enemy happens to be exterminated, they'll need one sooner, but they'll need a new one anyways.

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[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 21 points 11 months ago

That's it. Putin and the Russian conservatives are going after gays because it's an easy win with their conservative base, and they can claim moral superiority. Also distracts from Ukraine.

There you said it. They don't care about gay people. They need an easy win with conservative public before future (mock) elections and to distract people from Ukraine. And they also want a weapon to proclaim anyone they dislike an extremist.

Can you prove you aren't gay? Let's see. It'a either you record a video of apologizing for being gay, or we stuff a broom up your ass and you record a video of apologizing for being gay 🤗 Either way, 10 years in a joint.

I've recently seen a good article in a ru-language blogosphere. These pieces of shit who climbed to the power in the 90s and 00s break every ladder to their positions, they want to establish themselves as new nobles, and they need a variety of tools to persecute whoever they dislike. They want the good ol' serfdom. They build it as we speak.

It's not bad if you are gay and noble. Gref, Volodin, others are gossiped to be gay. Rather it's bad to be not in their club, like most do. Then you are in a risk of being persecuted and robbed of everything over nothing.

It's 21th century and neo-feudalism is on the rise! Fuck, I hate it here.

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[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social 141 points 11 months ago

Russia looking a lot like their old enemy the Nazis these days.

[-] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 86 points 11 months ago

Russia has always been anti-LGBT+. Stalin called them abomination and Putin is just a dimestore version of that monster.

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[-] player2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 11 months ago

Ironically, Russians think they are fighting Nazis in Ukraine.

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[-] pelya@lemmy.world 137 points 11 months ago

When you are losing the war you started.

Blame gays.

When your policies fail.

Blame gays.

When your government is less popular than cancer.

Blame gays.

When you are getting mass protests.

Blame Jews. But Jews have nukes, oops. Then blame gays!

[-] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 36 points 11 months ago

No, Israel has nukes. The Jews have a space laser though, which is better. Netanyahu lost his space laser privileges a long time ago, I could maybe petition the Council to let The Gays have his time slot?

[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 27 points 11 months ago

So what I'm hearing is give The Gays™️ nukes....

[-] Witchfire@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

That's one way to create a rainbow

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[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 130 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well well well. I thought Russia said the nazis were in Ukraine. Huh. Funny, that.

[-] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 36 points 11 months ago

"But Vladimir, you were never going to find any Nazis out there! The Nazis were in you all along!"

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Perhaps the true nazis were the friends we made along the way.

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[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 80 points 11 months ago

Gay Putin - the caricature he doesn't like

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[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 80 points 11 months ago

People want to be treated like human beings regardless of who they love? Yes, that’s a dangerously extreme view. Wanting to exterminate them all is perfectly normal, however.

[-] Verito@lemm.ee 26 points 11 months ago

"Seriously? I'm being arrested for being gay?" Extremely gay.

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[-] avater@lemmy.world 75 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ah yeah, the daily reminder that Russia has indeed become the comical evil country as it was always portrayed in Tom Clancys books, if not worse...

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[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 66 points 11 months ago

clubgoers’ documents were checked and photographed by the security services

That's the worst part. Being on any list of this state is a danger. Especially when they want another batch of bodies to once again storm Avdyivka. Hope they can nope-out from all possible traps. It's just... it would be totally spelled out they are here because they are gay, and it means a faith worse than death. Place is cursed.

[-] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 55 points 11 months ago

Hexbear and lemmygrad be like: "Russia is just avoiding a potential color revolution."

[-] Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 11 months ago

Actual quotes from Hexbears that I got when discussing Russia with them:

"Those reactionary shitstains [the Russian government] has little to be proud of."

"Russia is extremly Reactionary [...] thats why Russia has a Real Problem with "White Supremacy" , [and] no problems with hunting down LGBTQ+ [...]"

Now I don't exactly see anybody on Hexbear presently discussing this particular bit of news about crackdowns on LGBT+, but I'll go post about this news on Hexbear and see how the people there react. I have a feeling it's going to be consistent with my previous experiences discussing Russia with Hexbears, which is also going to be the reaction that I'd expect from an instance that skews heavily LGBT+.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 23 points 11 months ago

My experience has been exactly the opposite. They go out of their way to defend Russia and China and will hardly utter a word of criticism against either.

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[+] spiderkle@lemmy.ca 53 points 11 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Russia has had this problem for decades, even before the collapse of the Soviet Union this was a problem, who would want to live in communist Russia when you could live in a democracy in the west instead, and get paid for the privilege? Anyone with a brain left. After all, all the people smuggling through the Berlin wall was going in one direction.

But yeah their current actions are making it far worse.

Putin doesn't care about the future of Russia though, he only cares about his legacy. The Ukrainian invasion was supposed to be the start of the second Soviet Union. The plan was to also invade places like Poland (of course that was a terrible plan that would have almost certainly resulted in the third world war but there you go). To fall at the first hurdle like this is particularly embarrassing and dangerous because it makes him look weak, and in Russia you do not want to look weak because if you do you end up dead eventually.

If Putin manages to die of old age I'll be amazed

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[-] Cerbero@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

It’s what fascists do. Franco did it, Hitler, Pinochet, etc. anything that can be perceived as subversive must be taken care of.

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[-] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 49 points 11 months ago

I dunno if anyone is interested but of you got some spare coins laying around the Canadian based charity Rainbow Refugee has been helping get out threatened LGBTQIA+ folks from multiple countries including Russia for quite a while now by arranging sponsorships and legal support and advice for LGBTQIA asylum seekers. If you know anyone looking to get out or would like to donate here's a link :

https://www.rainbowrefugee.com/

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

My daughter is queer and if Trump wins, we will probably have to seek refuge in Canada. I have an uncle there, which will also help, but this is a good resource. Thanks.

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[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 11 months ago

Meanwhile "pro lgbtq" hexbears keep licking Putins boots

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 11 months ago

That's because they're all 12 years old and have no brain. When you talk to them it's quite clear they don't actually know what they're talking about. My favourite thing to do is quote events and dates at them of things that that didn't happen, and most of the time they don't pick up on it.

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[-] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 11 months ago

extremist organization

Of course, why did nobody ever think of targetting the President of Homosexual International?! Perhaps a drone strike? I bet he's hiding in a school or hospital somewhere in Ukraine.

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[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

With everything going on with Russia they still have time for this bullshit!

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[-] uis@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

How I spent summer. Essay.

In the morning we with my mom went to beach. There we've seen jellyfish(recognized as unwanted organization, included in the list of foreign agents).

Then it rained(recognized as unwanted organization, included in the list of foreign agents). After rain came rainbow(which is element of extremist movement symbolics).

Also mom showed me memorial in city center. Memorial is included in list of foreign agents, its activity in Russia is suspended by the court's decision

[-] soshiny@feddit.de 14 points 11 months ago

First they came for the >!socialists!< democrats, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a >!socialist!< democrats.

Then they came for the >!trade unionists!< journalist, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a >!trade unionist!< journalist.

Then they came for the >!Jews!< Gays, and I did not speak out— Because I was not >!a Jew!< gay.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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