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At the height of Woke as well.
Kinda funny how much the showrunners fumbled that bag. Anyway Knight of the seven kingdoms is pretty good
I do love that the following plot line was "Actually it's bad she freed the slaves because they actually liked being slaves!"
Just pure centrist vibes, nothing is ever good except the status quo!
"Actually it's bad she freed the slaves because they actually liked being slaves!"
I didn't know JK Rowling wrote for Game of Thrones
Wouldn't be surprised if the writers were fans of Kid Wizard and the Tropes
Too many people are
In the books I remember it as being pretty good, because it's more "hey if you're going to do a revolution, you gotta throw out the entrenched powers otherwise you end up like the Paris commune."
In the eyes of the showrunners this was of course too complex or whatever so they made it into the bullshit that it was. It's incredibly funny how much those two dinguses fumbled the bag. Really sucks it fucked up a good series along the way.
Didn't watch the show, but the books sound like they have a much better take on this storyline. The slaves do in fact enjoy being freed, and the problems are essentially the result of not planning for reaction from the nearby slave cities.
yes the problem is that she listened to her old westerosi advisors who came from nobility and gave mercy to the masters and tried to do reforms and marry into them. She should have gone with her instincts which was to crucify and burn the masters. Her failure to do so ended up in her being betrayed.
GRRM was really using the American reformation as a inspiration for this, and his point is that the slavers should have been brought to justice and they were allowed to fester and overthrow the gains of the abolition. Dany is Abraham Lincoln here basically, and her betrayal at the fighting pits was her assassination in the theater. Difference is she flew off on a dragon.
I think the problem was much larger: she was threatening much of the Essosi economy by freeing slaves. Old Ghis wasn't touched by her army and she was ultimately headed west, but they still sent troops to Mereen and that other city she freed. Although it almost certainly wasn't intended this way, there are shades of the imperialist countries invading the Soviet Union after the October Revolution.
dany staying in mareen was definitely her "socialism in one country" moment where she stopped trying to spread the revolution and instead tried to consolidate. GRRM is struggling through the real world difficulties of a revolution and showing his audience how hard this shit is.
GRRM is struggling through the real world difficulties of a revolution
Absolutely hilarious rationale for why Book 6 is taking so long
There is never going to be a Book 6. He's written himself into a corner, and he can't write his way out. It's over.
I think it's more that he's distracted himself with 20 other writing and TV projects, but yeah, I don't think we're ever getting Winds of Winter.
I think we probably will get WoW in some form. What we will absolutely for sure never get is A Dream of Spring. We will for sure never get a full conclusion to the story. But I'd be surprised if Winds isn't released in some form at some point.
A lot of it already has been kinda-sorta released such as sample chapters, chapters he has done live readings of, etc. I think it was said to come out to around 200 manuscript pages. And we know theres a ton more written but that he has repeatedly revised it, or so he has said. That's not a measure of progress, I think he probably is stuck in such a way that he will never be satisfied with what he wanted to release as Winds of Winter (or too content with doing more TV show writing). I'm saying there's too much there that is worth literally in the hundreds of millions of dollars range for it not to get released even if it's not the complete book that he intended.
Despite what George insists in interviews, there's just too much invested in it, by him and others, for what he has written to just sit there as forever untapped wealth. Either he'll change his mind before he dies and release an incomplete version of Winds, or he'll die but his estate will get access to his DOS computer and release whatever he did write. (Or maybe he even will truly finish it but never even start on Dream). But I think it will probably be the former - publishing whatever he's got at some point.
There is some precedent for this with how A Feast for Crows and A Dance With Dragons were released, because those two were originally supposed to be one book, but it got split in two and released years apart. So in other words we'll get the equivalent of Feast (first half) but not the equivalent of Dance (second half) for what was supposed to be a complete WoW book, but what does get released will still be called Winds of Winter. I know he has said he doesn't want to do this. But I still think it's what will end up happening.
I will say it again though, A Dream of Spring will never happen and we will never have a conclusion to ASOIAF.
I don't think he cares about the money. He's not running out and HBO keeps giving him more. He's said the main series is his magnum opus and he wants to nail it, and that in a few decades no one will care if there was a big gap between book releases.
He's also said he doesn't want anyone finishing it if he dies before doing so himself, so I'd imagine he'll have something in his will to that effect.
I don't think he cares all that much about the money either, but I think everyone else who stands to get big chunks of it, like the publishers and his estate do care about ~$100 million+. And I think he cares about what they want, and I also think he ultimately will want people to read whatever he has written of his magnum opus when he finally accepts that it will not ever be complete. And I do still hold some small sliver of hope that he will actually finish Winds, I just won't be holding my breath for it.
I know he doesn't want anyone else finishing it, he's been adamant about that for decades, but I never said anything about another author. I still think one way or another, we will eventually be reading a book called The Winds of Winter even if it is not the complete vision he intended when starting out. But none of that has anything to do with another author working on it. Like, the chapters he released on his not-a-blog along with the ones he read aloud to audiences, those come out to about 200 manuscript pages apparently, and the final book was supposed to be a whopping 1500 manuscript pages... I would bet we will see something that is maybe 1000 manuscript pages that carries the WoW title. We will see it either shortly before or not long after his death, assuming he doesn't finish the book (which was never intended to be the last one of course) while still alive.
Nah it's really not that hard, the fan base has basically already figured out the rest of the plot from foreshadowing and it's decent. George repeats the same themes and plots over and over throughout history, the histories given in The World of Ice and Fire basically just gave away the entire plot. The problem is George has more money than he could ever spend, he's grown complacent, he's involved in 100 different projects to distract himself, and he's very self-conscious about how unpopular the show became.
I mean even in books 3-5 that are already out she is doing this and GRRM is demonstrating the complexities and difficulties of revolution. He isn't saying it's useless or bad, just that it's complex and has fits and starts.
I'm agreeing with you! It's just funny that a very real problem (the complexity of revolution) is likely a huge source of delay.
GRRM should have used a 5 year plan for himself.
American reformation
reconstruction?
yes sorry
Difference is she flew off on a dragon.
walking dazed through a heap of burned wood in a roofless theater other than that mrs. lincoln, how was the play?
Yeah. My groans were epic when I recently rewatched that
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Amen 
If Scary Movie was around back then, they'd have gone crazy with this scene
There's a new Scary Movie coming out this year, so never say never
?? Scary Movie started in 2000. This scene is what, 2013?
There's like 5 scary movies and the series ran for several years. But I think it was mothballed around the time of this shot.
If rhe fifth one isn't named 5cary moVie it's not a proper sequel according to sequel law
Apparently they're making a new one, but it looks like it's obsessed with Woke :/
Theres some interview with RR Martin where he was asked about this scene in the show and he drops a gotcha along the lines of "well in the book theyre never described as being black, it was just a coincidence because we filmed in a country where the extras we hired were all black"
Its posted on youtube somewhere as a "RR Martin owns the libs" kind of thing
https://youtube.com/shorts/grl9ThqokJo
Found the short
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
IIRC this scene was filmed in Spain. D&D were going on about how these are all just tanned white people from the Mediterranean.
In the short I shard Martin says its filmed in Morocco. They could have filmed the Yunkai scenes in a few locations tho.
why?
It's meant to frame her in a positive light, but it is the encapsulation of "white savior". This could have been done on purpose as some sort of critique or commentary or whatever, but it wasn't.
Didn’t process it before but they’re doing the nazi salute…
This is subtle foreshadowing to Danny being really angry when she hears bells and thus kills a bunch of people, just like Hitler.