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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 139 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Taking "will it run doom" one step too far.

[–] tpihkal@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We need to take it back a step and see if it'll run Linux.

[–] new_guy@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Asking someone to compile the kernel with their mind sure is one way to give someone a headache

[–] SanctimoniousApe@piefed.social 12 points 3 weeks ago

I wanna see Linus' reaction to that pull request.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I can imagine a new AI hellscape where LLMs are run on human brain cells in a test tube. So you're never quite sure if you're talking to a mere algorithm ... or an enslaved proto-human who might be conscious and whose entire existence revolves around answering your inane online queries.

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[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

A closer example would be if it could use the console in linux since it's only playing dom not running it, I wonder if wetware would be any better as a coding assistant than ai

[–] duncan_bayne@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

playing dom

I do not think we should train a bioengineered intelligence with guns to do that.

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[–] gigastasio@sh.itjust.works 79 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s having more fun than I am.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 50 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Maybe the real hell is the life we've lived along the way.

[–] MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe this experience is just a higher being's analog of Doom and we're just cells in a petri dish running an MMORPG version it. Stupidest simulation theory ever, but hey man, we're sorta doing it so how stupid can it be?

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[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 74 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Having worked with human neurons harvested from dead people, there are worse ways to extend your life. At least these ones get to play games instead of getting poked and zapped by me.

[–] toynbee@piefed.social 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Could you poke and zap me?

[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 24 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Poke, yes. Zap is too weak to do much in live people but if I break out the old electrolytic brain lesion maker you'll feel it.

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

You know this isn't even the weirdest flirting I've seen online today. It's a notable thread, but not too bad.

Enjoy the shocks

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[–] Triumph@fedia.io 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I have neurons, can you zap me?

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 62 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

... Am I missing something, or is this not like, the practical, if not lore accuratr first step toward actually creating a:

[–] DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Next step, give it spider legs and a gattling gun!

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[–] HailHydra@infosec.pub 53 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure if it's the same scientists, but the YouTube channel The Thought Emporium has an ongoing series about growing neurons to play retro games (such as OG DOOM).

The playlist of this series is fittingly called Building the Torment Nexus.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It looks like their setup, but I don't see any recent videos. Jan 15th was their last one. I think they have a patreon with bonus clips and advance stuff.

Might be from that.

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 44 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

Raises uncomfortable questions about consciousness. The only difference between these neurons and your own are the number of them and the structures they form. Of course it doesn't know what it's doing, but... Neither do our own neurons

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Science and Ethics — the age old enmity between "I wanna know" and "I'm not allowed to find out"

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Science and Ethics — the age old enmity between "I wanna know" and ~~"I'm not allowed to find out"~~ "Am I able to find out without doing something monstrously inhumane"

FTFY

I guess my point is that sometimes even if it's illegal you can get away with it if done correctly, with ruling party aligned stated goals....or you have access to a shit tonne of money and powerful friends.

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

Cortical Labs are the ones who pulled this off. They already have biological computers running on 800,000 lab-grown neurons available for ~$35,000 (just going on what a quick Google search told me) and are planning to open up a cloud computing service with its own API soon.

This makes me feel uneasy. Imagine if reincarnation were a thing and you get brought back into this world, and your purpose is to learn how to play DOOM.

[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 19 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Personally my worry really isn't reincarnation, there's no reason to believe that that's true. But if these are fundamentally the same neurons that make up our brains, then how much do you need to put together before they acquire some form of "sentience"? Does a clump of 800,000 human neurons experience pain, sadness, a sense of self? Where is the line between an emotionless biocomputer and torturing a living organism for its entire lifespan?

Despite the fact that I really hate "AI", that question was of course already sort of relevant for the latest AI models, even though we can generally conclude that they're not there yet at all. But real neurons are different, we know what they're capable of. How many do you need before a clump of neurons has rights?

[–] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Large language models are not intelligent. They are predictive text applications with massive dictionaries of circumstantial sentence structures to choose from. Nothing more. They do not feel and do not think for themselves. The only time they do anything is when the API calls them to produce more text with an updated context string.

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[–] mastod0n@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

"Do lab grown neurons have a soul?"

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 26 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I have no mouth and I must Doom.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly? Sounds preferable to being stuck in the universe of I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream..... I'll take a challenging power fantasy with some massively overpowered weapons over millennia of endless physical and psychological torture by an insane AI..... might just be me though...

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[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Finally, I knew when I saved this to my phone there would be a perfect moment. (Humanity is too predictable)

Attribution: https://lemmy.world/post/43077529

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We are old gods who punish life for fun.

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[–] saxrussell@slrpnk.net 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] red_sock@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Computer Scientists: We can make Doom run on any device!

Bioscientists: Watch this!

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

So, uh... is it any good at it?

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[–] crazycraw@crazypeople.online 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"hey you, glad you're awake....."

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[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok, so maybe 200K brain cells would be sufficient to run for public office, but you can't really call that a complete brain, containing approximately 100 billion cells.

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[–] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So they are growing doom guy.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

we grew a human brain

200'000 ~~brian~~ "brain cells" (so about 1/3 of it neurons) is the equivalent to a really simple microcontroller.

Edit: left the typo for funny

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[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

So we’re just going full head of steam into a combo of the torment nexus and AM

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[–] this@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago

Ah I see, so we're adding the matrix to our dystopian horror show reality then.

Is this how the Borg began? Suddenly makes more sense with the outfits.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Am I the only one who wonders why, in a world where there are already concerns about machines rebellion, when we train rats, robots and a bench of neurons to play a game, it HAS to be Doom, we can't think about another, non-violent, or let's be bold: non-destructive game??

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

They trained a tiny patch of neurons to respond to low-voltage electric impulses. The cells don't know they're playing Doom. They don't have any kind of social context or even video feedback.

Imagine if I stuck you in a sensory deprivation chamber, handed you an NES controller, and asked you to hit the buttons. Then, periodically, I said "Yes" or "No" based on the buttons you pressed. And when I pulled you out of the tube at the end of an hour, I told you "the yes and no messages were intended to encourage you to correctly navigate Mario through the first level of the original game." What if, instead of Mario, I'd been telling you how to play Street Fighter?

It doesn't matter if its Doom. They likely picked Doom because the I/O is so rudimentary that you can install the game on practically anything. The cellular matter has no idea what it's doing beyond the "Yes/No" signaling.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

That's fucked up though. What happened to bioethics and review boards?

We don't understand enough about human consciousness to say that those cells aren't sentient. We have no idea what sort of experience, if any, they're perceiving.

This is not okay...

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[–] jojowakaki@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"Scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should"

Micheal on his fictional book about sex changing lizards in an unconventional zoo.

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