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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 142 points 2 months ago (10 children)

For general context, the opinion piece was published April 2014. Bezos owned The WaPo at the time and had since 2013. Author is Stanford historian and archaeologist Ian Morris.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago

Thanks for sharing the link in the interest of fact and transparency.

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I looked at the premise of his book that this article seems to connect with, and it basically boils down to "History shows that societies becomes a lot more peaceful and productive after periods of war."

Wow, who'd've thought that things get better for the people who survive a war? It's a good thing we can apply survivorship bias to the whole of human history with such confidence like that.

So it's not that war makes things better, but that we become better off after we stop fighting? We become better off after we decide fixing our problems peacefully is a good idea? Brilliant.

It's also not true when you consider all the times war follows war and societies see decades if not centuries of decline involving numerous civil wars. On top of that, when war is not devastating for those that start it, it does not inspire them to change; rather it becomes part of their norm.

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[–] yakko@feddit.uk 20 points 2 months ago

He seems like not a great guy.

[–] sveltecider@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

It says it right at the top ...

[–] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 16 points 2 months ago

WTF this is a real article

[–] skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

Artist putting the dove of peace in there should be shamed, too. Mf’er thinks they have some design porn going on there when all it is is selling out to oppressors

I will do one better and provide a link to an archived copy of the article so you all can read it for yourselves!

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[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social 84 points 2 months ago (4 children)
[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 months ago

Us, the wealthiest owners of Raytheon and Lockheed shares. Who did you think?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago
[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 9 points 2 months ago

“When we talk about U.S.A., we ain’t talkin bout you, ése.”

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Probably the author of the article and the people who paid him to write it.

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[–] BinzyBoi@piefed.ca 59 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"Democracy dies in darkness, and we're on the side of darkness"

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Democracy dies in darkness

This stopped being a warning and started being a mission statement.

[–] GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago

Right up there with Google's "Don't be Evil"

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[–] Exec@pawb.social 41 points 2 months ago

Democracy died in daylight

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So, not agreeing with the premise but: this article is from 2014, written by a legit historian, and is specifically not discussing the short term.
Their premise is effectively that war consolidates power and minimizes violence at scale inside the unified territory afterwards. Further, the things nations do to be ready for conflict, like build roads, administrative statates and all the social structures that accompany a standing army facilitate trade and prosperity.

It's less that he's arguing for war, and more just ... Describing the historical consequences of war in aggregate.

It was certainly only titled the way it was because he was publishing a book and this is more eye catching.

[–] BigMike@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ironic that this post is trying critize propaganda while being a bit propagandish itself

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah it thinks it's counterpropaganda, but it's just propaganda.

I agree with it of course: we shouldn't need war to build roads.

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[–] DandomRude@piefed.social 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And this is the newspaper that played a major role in bringing Nixon down at the time... what an utter disgrace.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Probably not for ethical reasons but more uhh aristocratic in-group disputes/conflicts of interest.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

This right here, and he was never taken down. He voluntarily resigned and faced zero consequences.

[–] zammy95@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Did a war write this article?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Just a neoliberal entering his pupae to begin turning into a fascist.

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[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 22 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I mean, what it said. Genocide! Love that. I respect The Washington Post and its commitment to corruption, abuse of power, and harm to kids.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 months ago

What the fuck.

[–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago

The first thing to die in war is the truth.

[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

I didn't even see the WaPo part of the post at first... and I didn't need to.

[–] berg@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] toxicbubble@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)
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[–] Tiger_Man_@szmer.info 9 points 2 months ago

if by "us" they mean the billionaries behind this company then sure it does

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

AT WHAT FUCKING COST?!?!?

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 9 points 2 months ago
[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 8 points 2 months ago

Go walk in the rain some more, you’ll dry quicker.

[–] FalschgeldFurkan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

"Yeah because after WWII there was peace!!!1"

Technically, after the war is before the war.

[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Am I the only one that sees a Wehrmact soldier with an MP-40 in hand? Like... Come on.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 5 points 2 months ago

Pictured dove ofc carrying cluster bombs.

[–] thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Even if true, there has to be a better way to achieve safety and economic security for all. War causes losses for far too many.

ETA: grammar & clarity

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

At the cost of murdering others and taking what is theirs.

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Keep in mind that this is a guest opinion, which means it is not intended to reflect the official opinion of the Washington Post—in fact, it might be the opposite, but published anyway in order to provide a diversity of viewpoints. (Personally, I do not like everyone they have chosen to platform, but it is not unreasonable for them to want to err on the side of listening to what the other side has to say to avoid creating an echo chamber.)

[–] BrickEater@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Nah fuck that, that's like posting straight Nazi gibberish and playing the "representing both sides" argument when someone calls you on it. In this day and age that whole idea can go fuck itself right into oblivion. We are all grown enough to known the difference.

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[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

Nonsense. The "it's just opinion" canard is so tired, please just let it die. By publishing an opinion in a well regarded (deservedly or not) news outlet, they launder ideas into mainstream acceptability by announcing that a reasonable person could hold such an opinion. A reasonable person can not hold such an opinion as this. If it was published with a warning and an analysis of how dangerous this is and to make people aware of how the extreme right thinks, that would be one thing. But publishing an opinion without comment is endorsement, no matter how much people say it isn't.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Bezos changed the editorial line of the paper so that conflicting views are not allowed.

Imperialist wars are, in fact, a pillar of neoliberalism, so of course they support it. They also make you richer, as the title claims, if you're the propaganda appendage of a fascist regime, or own stocks in military corporations.

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[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Of courses it does, especially when you are the world's biggest arms dealer! By far, not even China, Russia, and Germany combined, throw in UK and France, too

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Well, shit...

Somebody turned off the lights at Washington Post then lol

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