“We’re not blaming God for this,” said 35-year-old Kristina. “Yes, it hurts, of course, it hurts. But God has chosen Ethan for a reason. God is doing something, and we're gonna glorify his name regardless.

“And we wouldn't change it any other way,” the mom continued. “If I knew this could be the outcome, I still wouldn't have given my son the vaccine.”

This child deserves parents who love him, and he does not have even that.

[–] Posadas@hexbear.net 56 points 6 days ago (3 children)

“Yes, it hurts, of course, it hurts. But God has chosen Ethan for a reason. God is doing something, and we're gonna glorify his name regardless."

Absolute cultist behavior

[–] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 39 points 6 days ago

It's so weird to because if you really embrace this logic, shouldn't you be an AnPrim?

"Why do you drive a car when god gave you feet to walk on? Why do you eat farm grown food when God gave you the bounty of the forests to hunt and gather from?"

Like really unless you abstain from all man made technology there's not reason to make an odd exception for medicine alone.

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 35 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Isn't it literal heresy too? Like the moral of the story of job is that policing internal faith through inflicting horror to test loyalty is bad and the work of the Adversary ("Satan"), or at least we should assume that's the intended reading considering how both Judaism and Catholicism centered following their laws and engaging in ritual. It's not until the Protestant heresy that this gets inverted and following the laws becomes whatever, performing ritual is just whatever you feel like, but what's really important is rigidly policing internal faith and testing blind, absolute loyalty to whatever the local religious leader says.

I mean obviously magic isn't real, these are stories written to serve social (binding communities together), political (smearing the authors' contemporary enemies by calling them gay or saying they're weird incest babies - the whole Lot thing is about smearing the tribe of Moab who claimed descent from someone named that), or cultural functions (establishing foundational myths and creating a unique cultural identity), but even in the context of their own theological framework these Evangelical death cultists are literally Satanic heretics who follow the Adversary from the famed scriptural parable "don't be like the Adversary because that's bad".

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There no deep philosophical framework in the American Civic Religion, which these people actually follow. They read the story of Job and think, "Wasn't Job good, he believed despite all those things that happened to him," and that's it. There's nothing more to it.

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They read the story of Job and think, "Wasn't Job good, he believed despite all those things that happened to him," and that's it. There's nothing more to it.

Literally how I was taught to read the story.

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago

Haha, yeah. I wasn't even being "online pessimistic" about that. I mean it as a literal matter-of-fact. I grew up Catholic and that's how we were taught the story with maybe only slightly more insight but not really.

Which is sad, because a lot of bible stories are pretty boring but Job is one that is kind of immensely interesting from the implications of it. God is perpetuating the evil upon Job, not Lucifer. If anything, Lucifer seems to have control of the situation.

[–] damnatum_seditiosus@hexbear.net 13 points 6 days ago

I went on a terrible ride about the kingdom of Moab, not that much mind you, then felt into Natopedia, which had a map of the area at the time with the kingdom in there.

But then I saw that it was marked for deletion as of this month! I've looked around, the source is from the Jewishvirtuallibrary, who is then picking it up from "fsmitha.com".

I've tried to look around for a description of that guy or the website around but all really comes back down to being cited a lot by Redditors in big sub.

I've gived up on that point. But thanks for making me read about that somehow!

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 35 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The idea that your god is against readily available cures, maybe you are believing in the wrong guy.

Nurgle

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 22 points 6 days ago

You know I've been finding Darktide really cathartic lately. Just something about mowing down Nurgle worshipers by the thousands over and over really soothes the soul.

I wonder what it could be. It's even more viscerally satisfying than wiping out Nazis and Klansmen in Wolfenstein: TNC was. I just can't put my finger on the why... blob-no-thoughts

[–] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 36 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If God wanted your kid to die then why did God allow humans to create life saving medications?

[–] goferking0@hexbear.net 20 points 6 days ago

insert story of person staying on rooftop during flood, ignoring all rescue attempts then asking God why they didn't save them only to be told "why didn't you use any of the rescue methods I sent you"

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)

there's this wack suspense thriller from the early 2000s about an ultrachristian dad (Bill Paxton, RIP) who has "visions" of demons walking around the world, hiding as humans. the mom is gone and he has two very young sons, who he recruits into helping him banish/kill these people as "God's Wrath". the movie is mostly about how the older son (10?) is terrified of his dad axe murdering random people and trying to resist him, without his dad growing suspicious that his son is falling under a demonic influence.

its a super dark concept "Frailty" (2001), but people like those in this story, who attribute their destructive and life-negating, narcissistic impulses to "God's Will" remind me how this kind of fucked thinking is coddled, protected and even encouraged.

[–] Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Fucking great movie. Bill directed it too.

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago

i just learned that, in looking up a few details to refresh my memory today. such a crazy movie. i remember it being truly horrific and upsetting in my early 20s, but i was reminded most of the violence is off camera/implied while you're watching the reactions of the children. so its not gross, or as bill would say, "not exploitative" which drove his interest in directing. like he was worried some other director would fuck it up by making a graphically violent modern slasher.

its interesting to see how controversial it is too, for effectively using horror movie techniques from 1950s hollywood, mostly taking place in the 1970s. admittedly, the plot concept is pretty ballsy even today.

like some people hate it and, perhaps more frighteningly, some see it as confirmation of their religious extremism. yikes!

to me its just horror done extremely well, because i am still horrified by it's story decades later. kudos to paxton. what a fucking movie.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 20 points 6 days ago

The alternative is to admit they fucked up

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago

Wait what

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 56 points 6 days ago (1 children)

In a sane country these parents would be in jail and the children removed from their custody.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Even implying that children aren’t the property of their parents is violating muh parental rights

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 48 points 6 days ago

This isn’t even about culture wars or legit concerns anymore. As far as I’m concerned this is literal child neglect, and you’re a monster if you are willing to sacrifice your own child to protect your own ego.

[–] ConcreteHalloween@hexbear.net 41 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I sometimes wonder if deep down these people just hate their kids and all this religious crap is just internal cope.

[–] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 22 points 6 days ago

I mean, of you're propagandized to believe that you're goal in life is to have kids, when you don't actually want any, then you might have a lot of resentment for your children

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 34 points 6 days ago

smug-explain "My son may die, but at least he's not autistic."

[–] 3rdWorldCommieCat@hexbear.net 32 points 6 days ago

In a sensible society that child and all other children they have would be rescued from those parents.

[–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Disgraced Ex Doctor Wakefield when he ruined several generations just for a few bucks

[–] Posadas@hexbear.net 14 points 6 days ago

That's Disgraced Ex Doctor Mr. Andrew I Was Paid By Lawyers To Fabricate Results To Win A Court Case Wakefield thank you very much

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 22 points 6 days ago

“With my own eyes, I have seen the damage it does to kids who are perfectly normal, and then once they get it, they're not the same anymore,” she claimed.

anakin-padme-2 she's talking about measles right

[–] robotElder2@hexbear.net 15 points 6 days ago

Christian households with children should be subject to frequent random inspection by social workers.

[–] MeetMeAtTheMovies@hexbear.net 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

What does Spider-Man have to do with this?

Edit: wrong Andrew

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 12 points 6 days ago

yeah that's Andrew mondays

[–] LadyCajAsca@hexbear.net 15 points 6 days ago

The consequences of decades of misinformation and worm-infested thinking from the likes of RFK and ""MAHA""...

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 17 points 6 days ago

Antivaxxers deserve life in prison

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 14 points 6 days ago

into the incinerator please

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 10 points 6 days ago

These children should be taken away from these abusive parents

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 10 points 6 days ago

Reeducation

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 4 points 5 days ago

A just society would execute these murderous crackpots

[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 5 days ago

The Libertarian Dream.

[–] iByteABit@hexbear.net 5 points 5 days ago

"Pro Life" gang strikes again

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago

Person who should get beaten to death street slowly

[–] toarmspunies@hexbear.net 3 points 5 days ago

It is unfathomable to me that vaccines aren't paid for by taxpayers and administered during schooling with the only exception being medically-determined exemptions.

Why are we letting willful plague rats offering uncritical support on the side of the plague permit and spread this?

It's incomprehensible to me.