Star Trek Social Club

Oh, I hate it. The labourious mind-numbing action, the "we aspire and they don't" hand-wave resolution to the half-assed philosophical premise, the dozenth mind rape of Troi and Picard's callous response, it's all trash.

Don't get me wrong, it had some OK scenes. You had to learn about them after the fact, though, because they were all cut from the film! Cutting Picard's discussion with Data from the start, and the crew's visit to his quarters at the end, is as good as cutting the Kobayashi Maru and funeral sequences from TWoK. They wouldn't have saved the thing, but they would have given Data's death at least a little emotional weight.

Left a bad taste in my mouth for twenty years. Thank goodness Picard came along to revisit these characters. It was a mess, but I'll take any season of Picard as a superior send-off to the TNG era than this movie.

Nope. Did not like. Insurrection and Nemesis are nigh unwatchable to me.

I didn't like it.

The premise was interesting and kind of seemed to be TNG's Undiscovered Country, so that by itself wasn't bad.

Tom Hardy as a Picard clone was dumb. I don't know what the obsession is with having Picard become a father when his character was written to have his lineage end with him. It would have worked better if Hardy was a Romulan who was manipulating the Remans for his benefit.

Outside of Worf, the crew felt oddly in status. Giving Riker the Titan in this movie could have justified shaking up the crew. Bring in Crusher and La Forge as technical experts instead of crew because going to Romulus it's going to be a big deal and the two have credible experience with Romulan biology and technology.

Ditch the whole daddy/son thing and focus on the Enterprise and a small fleet trying to establish better diplomatic relations as invited guests and get attacked given how the sneaky Romulan politics is.

The final ship battle was cool.

I struggle to think of things to say about "Nemesis", one way or the other.

I do like the Remans. We need more Remans in our lives.

It's thoroughly mediocre. I will watch it if I'm watching the TNG movies, but probably not standalone. There is definitely some cool stuff in it, and I also like Tom Hardy and Ron Perlman, but as you note I don't think it really pulls it all together. And then there are things I hate, like dune buggies, B4, and the fact they fucking killed Data.

It is especially bad as the last TNG movie. The TNG era crew should have got their Undiscovered Country epic last ride but Nemesis isn't nearly conclusive enough. At least we'll always have "All Good Things".

For me Nemesis falls solidly into the "Not a 'good' movie, but something I can put on literally any time and have fun with it."

As you said, the themes, inasmuch as they exist, are clunky. The story is nonsensical. But the performances are good as always, the sets are good as always, and the presentation (sfx/makeup/etc) are solid as always.

I didn't hate it when I saw it in theaters. Thought it was better than IX and VII but not VIII. It was a hit heavy on wanting to be star wars. The buggy ride, fighter ships, fights on gangways above huge chasms on the ship, the humorous banter while pew pew. Didn't like the death of Data. Didn't we learn anything from Spock? I liked the world building for the Roms and the Rems. I liked Hardy in it.

I don't mind rewatching this movie. I feel it benefits from aging a bit like III doesn't (but V does for me). And I'd argue it's definitely better than PIC S2, if not the whole show.

The general vibe around this movie is bad because the box office take wasn't great and then we learned all these little tidbits from BTS: Wesley (the boy?!) being cut out of the wedding scene or the director thinking Geordie was an alien. I think Frakes in the chair would have done a better job with it.

The worst TNG movie by far. It had a couple good lines, and it could have been almost as good as Insurrection if it didn’t magically hand wave Data’s sacrifice away.

I remember leaving the theater annoyed. I saw them all in theaters from Undiscovered Country onward and it was the only one I wasn’t happy with.

I didn’t personally. I believe it was victim of the period at which it was made; with a sudden propension to weaker and oversimplified scenarios, overly aggressive cut scenes, ridiculously bad and shortened dialogs etc. It’s not just that specific movie, it was how all "action" movies were filmed during those years, and the quality of Nemesis suffered because of it.

Just like Discovery’s second and third seasons suffered greatly by both the pandemic and the actors’ strike.

Meh. I mean it's aight.

I wanted more of a Undiscovered Country with Romulans. But it had that while weird cloning arc instead.

At least we got more Romulans in P1, which I enjoyed.