TYT pivoted to being chuds right? I never watched them so I didn't follow along, yikes. : popularculture

[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 36 points 3 days ago (3 children)

no-oil

This is dumb, but they did hide the connection between the hijackers and Saudi intelligence, Bush ignored pretty clear warnings, and the first plan of action after they got their shit together in the aftermath was to try figure out how to sell an invasion of Iraq.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago

That and the real smoking gun is the convictions over insider trading that happened the week before 9/11

There can't be insider trading without insider information

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

one of the buildings really collapsed from the al qaeda plane attack, but the other was rigged to blow with mossad explosives. It was both an inside and an outside job.

[–] cosecantphi@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Actually the buildings just did that. It was a coincidence planes crashed into them right as they were about to finally collapse due to flimsy, cost-cutting construction

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

A temporal anomaly displaced key structural parts of the steel frame directly into Charlie Kirk's neck for a fraction of a second, which is why that just did that on its own too. The scary part is we don't know when or where the rest of the time traveling metal will reappear again.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Actually you got it the wrong way around. The buildings were going to collapse, so to cover for the shoddy construction they did 9/11. The pentagon was just a missile misfiring and they used the attacks as a cover the same day to avoid embarrassment.
Either that or it was an op to cover for the fact Bush couldn't read that book

[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago

illuminati

much to consider

[–] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

Doesn’t matter. They got what they wanted.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago

These are real facts, not "connected dots."

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Announcing you've become a 9/11 truther 25 years after the fact, completely unprompted, is really something even for that mad lad.

My favorite part is the preemptive defensiveness. "Sorry outraged normies, that you're just not ready for this 25 year old ice cold take" big-cool

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

To be fair, it would make an incredible Cumtown bit

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can you imagine working in media during the middle of the Epstein files being released - the absolute biggest story possible - and being like "hey everyone, ever heard about building 7???"

[–] isame@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I honestly thought they were going to try and make a connection.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

On the surface I'm sure it looks connected, but in reality it's two completely different groups. Dick Cheney was in it for the love of the game, dubya did it for artistic inspiration. Meanwhile Jeffrey Epstein is honestly probably some sort of nazi occultist

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 26 points 3 days ago

The virgin Cenk vs the Chad hasan-ok-dude "America deserved 9/11"

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 28 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Some people can't accept that it was an accident. Planes crash all the time and humans have pattern-seeking brains.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes the first tower was an accident, the second was a pilot flying closer to inspect then BAM, tower 2...

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Any of them could have been pilot error, but with them being Boeing planes I've always suspected mechanical issues. Occam's razor says that a few more Boeing planes crashing is less far-fetched than the official story or conspiracy theories. They were such iconic buildings and it was such a tragic day that society can't accept sometimes shit just happens.

[–] JustSo@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Eh pilots just do that sometimes. Like for example just on that same day someone crashed into the Pentagon. Happens all the time.

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Like you said, on that same day someone crashed into the Pentagon. It isn't even in the same city as the World Trade Centre but we can't accept that sometimes life hands us lemons. The same people who link those unrelated events will also throw in another plane that crashed in a field in a third state, something that happens almost weekly without any of them ever crying "oh noes it's 9/12".

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bullshit, Bush knew the flight paths when he built those towers, he knew they'd get in the way.

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

It's a really unfortunate design choice and I see why most other buildings don't use it. Any pilot can easily dodge one skyscraper. Two identical buildings next to each other tricks the the brain, like how you probably only read one "the" in this sentence.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Some people can't accept it was an intelligence operation. National tragedies are orchestrated all the time and humans feel safe when they can trust their government

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Occam's razor. Orchestrating such a large tragedy would involve so many people, all of them being silenced or keeping it a perfect secret for almost a quarter of a century. Humans feel safe when they can trust their government, but Alex Jones shows that they feel powerful when they can make it the villain in their personal James Bond film and uncover the grand plan.

Accidents happen daily with or without human intervention. Until 9/11, nobody had ever thought to call any of the plane crashes 9/10 or another combination of numbers. They weren't lumped together as a grand conspiracy. They were just unfortunate dice rolls in an absurd world. Even striking a bird can take down a plane, something that happened in that same city with US Airways Flight 1549. Loose bolts, flap settings, software problems- there are so many things that are one or two holes in the swiss cheese away from making a plane uncontrollable. Shit happens.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's not how Occam's razor works. Following your application of it, the towers just did that. Even fewer assumptions.

Your argument is nearing circular logic. Either a conspiracy is proven untrue due to its many leaks and mistakes, like the ones I've mentioned - "Do you really think they would make such simple mistakes if they were planning this?'; or it is proven untrue by its lack of leaks and mistakes - "do you really think they could do this and not have someone talk?"
You don't need everyone to be in on it. You need a tight circle capable of manipulating the strings. There will be an outer circle with a somewhat understanding of some parts of the machine and then a bunch of moving parts with no understanding - flight control officer's who had their first day on the job, army officers running the air-drill that day and so on.

Look at Epstein. Look at how many was involved, look at how little slipped out until recently. Look at how what slipped out was treated in popular culture.

The fact is we don't know what happened that day, we don't have the full picture. But with the details we do have available it is clear that the official story is, at the very best, woefully incomplete. Acting as if this was just an everyday possible accident is like falling for the "a security service guy accidentally shot Kennedy" story. It's put out there to make you feel clever for "figuring it out" while not challenging the status quo. Any deeper look makes it obvious that that isn't an explanation at all

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The fact is we don't know what happened that day, we don't have the full picture.

That's the logic you're going off of. You don't know what happened, but there's a bigger picture that must have happened. Any little detail of anything that happened on that day can be free-associated to prove that the bigger picture must exist. Epstein could certainly be described in that grand conspiratorial way, but there's a solid paper trail proving a specific timeline. The public knew who he was for over two decades, he was just a protected open secret because he served a purpose for powerful people. That's no more surprising than Harvey Weinstein and Diddy having full careers.

There is no Jmail equivalent for any of the 9/11 conspiracies, including the "official story". There is no single Epstein email equivalent that shows two henchmen or planners saying "I would like to do terrorism today is now a good time Sent from My iPad" like you can actually point to with Epstein. Such a vast conspiracy would have a vast paper trail coordinating it.

My argument isn't circular at all. It's just materialist. I can point to planes crashing on that day, so the towers clearly didn't "just do that" (reductio ad absurdum). I can point to planes crashing on other days too and don't make assumptions. I wait until the NTSB releases their report before I distinguish between pilot error or mechanical failures, let alone assume that it was some kind of action movie plot. Most people made up their mind that day to suit their own needs. I just look at the facts that would hold up to casual or court room dissection. Planes crash sometimes but flying is still safer than driving.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's the logic you're going off of. You don't know what happened, but there's a bigger picture that must have happened.

No, that's the conclusion I came to after looking into the whole thing. Stop condesending those you disagree with and have the assumption that they have the same basic sapience that you do.

Epstein could certainly be described in that grand conspiratorial way, but there's a solid paper trail proving a specific timeline.

There is now. There wasn't when the accusations were first made. There was an arrest and some leaked flight logs.

There is no single Epstein email equivalent that shows two henchmen or planners saying

"The torture video was awesome btw"

I'm not gonna engage with the rest of your text because it's full of the same paternalising condescension. You fling out critique, yet fail to observe yourself.

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If you're this emotional about 9/11, maybe that's why you need to retreat into conspiracy theories to explain it? shrug-outta-hecks

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

> Be condescending towards someone
> They react negatively
> "Why are you being so emotional?" smuglord

You're defaulting to "lmao triggered" like some random dipshit redditor

[–] chloroken@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

I don't like the way you post. You're trying to be smart and clever but coming off as belligerent and annoying.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Out of all the dumbass things cenk has said, you posted one of the few based ones.
Yeah it is pretty weird that a plane that was so destroyed that the black box couldn't be retrieve, somehow managed to keep passports from the hijackers pristine in the same compartment in the same building that was supposedly burning so hot steel beams melted. Also this was how we identified the hijackers. Who were flagged several times by various security instances as being incredibly suspicious, but each and every time it was dismissed like a fart in the breeze.
Speaking of: The winds were blowing so strongly that day that building 7 - a massive skyscraper housing CIA records - fell down all on its own.
Donald Rimsfeel just walking around picking up debris like it's a curiosity while Dick Choker sits with his feet on the desk like he's watching a rerun of cheers.
All this a little while after the new owner of the twin towers took out a new insurance on the buildings, not to mention all the insider trading weeks before. Only day he wasn't in the building was the 11th of september btw.
All this shortly after the "America needs a new pearl harbour" briefing.

The US intelligence apparatus killed its own president in broad daylight. Believing anything is beyond it is ridiculous.

Dancing Israelis

You think the arrested Israeli agents that were then let go because they were intelligence agents, isn't weird?

Edit: this has now become a post petitioning for a c/conspiracy and i wanna be a mod

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I've always been of the opinion that if they didn't plan it, they at least didn't stop it from happening. And building 7 was always extremely suspicious, especially since it was never reported on until well after the fact.

Doesn't make Cenk and Ana less of a joke though.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Oh um actually all the records we would have had on 9/11 and all the other stuff you guys are investegating right now? Well it's kind of awkward but they were inside the building that just ~~burned down~~ ~~collapsed~~ ~~~was exploded by terroists~~ just did that all on it's own. Yeah yeah the building that some people said they heard explosions in the basement of and warned authorities a good while before we say anything started to happen. Yeah that one. Anyway what about all that anthrax? Seems scary, right? We caught the guy, but he offed himself before we got to him.

edit: to quote matt-guerrilla or maybe it was liz-society or brace-dark-cowboy "if they didn't plan they're stupid as fuck, because it gave them everything they ever wanted on a silver platter"

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Didn’t Dick disappear into his coffin for a few days?

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

On the day of he was the one running the show

Afterwards I'm sure he retired to his adrenochrome cave

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wish the Uygur cultural genocide was real, but it was only Cenk being sent to a re-education camp. gulag

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

Mr. Xi, you missed one!

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago

I've had occasional exposure to them over the years. They're better than fox news.... I guess. But have a weird sort of right wing bent for a long time. Last I saw, around new year, they were talking about how good the citizen journalism was that exposed somali run fake daycare in minneapolis. Outraged about how these people seemed to be stealing taxpayer money. Preemptive victims being attacked by the left. The left was so caught up in being anti racist ideologues that they would refuse to admit somalis could be capable of crimes. Anyway that all ended up being just as fake shit as it appeared. These are people who mistake being correct for being oppositional.

But when they're on they're on, good production and presentation to make lib viewer feel reaffirmed.

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

Wait, Cenk is based now?

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

Yeah, they were big pushers of the Aurora apartment story in 2024 (the building that got "taken over by tren de aragua")

Also Ana Kasparian is anti trans as fuck

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

Maybe he just listened to the 5 part true anon series it's really a lot to take in

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

cenk pivoting to 9/11 theories to cover for his reactionary bullshit

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

Yeah, TYT is republican on a bunch of issues at this point. Want to guess what they say about bail reform?

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

They're PatSocs at this point honestly

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