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[–] agingelderly@lemmy.world 103 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

What does it say about women speaking again?

I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.”

[–] TunaLobster@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Paul probably didn't write that paragraph of verses. It was most likely added by someone else along the way.

To your point of people wanting to take only portions of the Bible literally and ignore others, there are TONS of things that the old testament says to do that we don't do every day.

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 48 points 3 weeks ago

A whole lot of the bible wasn't written by Paul. Doesn't mean its not part of the bible.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

That sounds like a very feminine opinion

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Christians on old testament laws:

  • prohibition on eating pork: god actually didn't mean we should stop eating pork. It was an accident bro.

  • prohibition on vaguely sexual acts without clear translation: this is the word of god, how dare these people exist

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not defending Christianity, but the actual defense of pork is that Jesus had made pork clean, in a vision to Peter where the analogy was that Jesus also made non Jewish people clean, since mixing with them was also forbidden. So less accident, more amendment.

They would also claim (from my experience in a cult anyway) that the old laws were necessary at the time they were given, but by the time Jesus came he could revise them as they were more ready.

If we look at it from a secular viewpoint, badly cooked pork probably caused a bunch of illness to was banned, and by the time Jesus supposedly existed people had learned to cook it more safely.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If only they took jesus' thousands of negative views on the wealthy as seriously as they take his one revision to pork law.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nah, I can see Paul saying that, I just cannot see Jesus (who was openly kissing women like men kissed men and basically publicly recognising them as equals! The horror, lol) saying that. 🤷

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Would you mind telling me which verse tells us jesus kissed women in greeting?

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Nowhere, actually, I must have hallucinated it (?!). Perhaps in some apocryphal gospel? Religious fiction? Sorry for spreading misinformation, I really thought I read it.

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 5 points 3 weeks ago

Awesome, thanks for checking. It didn't sound familiar.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I'd have to go look but I think that was in the gospel of Philip. Apocryphal, but interesting.

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[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 44 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Equally controversial fact:

I am not obliged by law or morality to follow what is written in your fucking book either way.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My version: I don't fucking care what your dumb book says.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I used to always reply with "i'm Jewish". They gear clashed like fucking crazy. It was hilarious.

Now i'm done even vaguely entertaining these shitheels

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

i used to use "i'm pagan" and watch the sparks fly but that's gonna get me killed one of these days

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 39 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Didn't Mary and Joseph live together before they were married?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago

It was acceptable because Mary could do sick ollies at the half pipe

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

No, they just had a baby in a cave together and claimed it was a virgin birth.

Seriously though, I thought they were married?

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 9 points 3 weeks ago

I feel like if they were married it would have been expected that mary wasn't a virgin

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

They get married at some point after jesus is conceived, and have other children (opinion varies, catholics maintain that Mary remained a virgin)

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Did you think Mary and god were married before today?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] wieson@feddit.org 4 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I did a quick look, but tbh I would need to know more about ancient judaic wedding practices.

Here goes: in Gospel by Luke, when Mary gets the announcement, they are betrothed (fiancée).
In Gospel by Matthew, Joseph hears of this and wants to cancel the betrothement, but gets an explanation by an angel and "takes her in" but doesn't sleep with her until after Jesus is born.
In Gospel by Luke, when they arrive in Bethlehem, they're called betrothed. So I don't know how official and extensive the "taking in" is to be seen.

Anyways, look what I found in the Song of Mary:

He performs mighty deeds with his arm; he scatters those who are proud in their inmost thoughts.
He brings down rulers from their thrones but lifts up the humble.
He fills the hungry with good things but sends the rich away empty.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Did God marry Mary, before he knocked her up?

[–] totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No, but in his defense, neither did he live with her.

[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Incorrect. He lives inside all of us! HE'S INSIDE OF YOU RIGHT NOW!!

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

I hope y'all's god likes pörkölt because that's what she's getting

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[–] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Some really unfortunate power dynamics in that relationship.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] elbiter@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What should be controversial is pretending a goat shepherds religious book from the bronze age should have any kind of authority in the 21st century.

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[–] sfxrlz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 weeks ago

Every time I hear the word bible and fact in the same sentence the church bells start ringing in my head.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@piefed.social 15 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Outside the Ten Commandments (supposedly), the Bible was written entirely by fallible humans - these assholes keep forgetting that part & act like it's 100% perfect (which we know it's not simply by its own self-contradictions).

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It is also important to not forget about how the Bible was formed.

What we know as the Bible is a collection of books, selected by a committee during a conclave centuries ago.

Any decision made by humans in power and influence will inevitably be favoring their own goals and politics.

There are plenty of other Christian texts that were excluded, how would they have changed Christianity if they were included?

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Excuse me but old baldy Elisha successfully cast summon shebear swarm and I posit any being able to summon and command not just a shebear but a swarm of shebears just might be infallible

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[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Also somehow the King James version is authoritative, after who knows how many links of translation phone games?

[–] Ava@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago

The Ten Commandments, famous for being identical and consistent across varying versions of religious scripture and sections within the same!

[–] jimonthony@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

There are so many books. It is strange that this one gets so much attention.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Controversial fact: Gondor does in fact call for aid.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We mustn't answer the call!

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[–] feannag@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But it's a Good Book don't ya know! If you just read one book it should be a Good Book.

[–] TIN@feddit.uk 7 points 3 weeks ago

Unexpected Tim Minchin

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Thou shalt boof but not before 3 days after the sabbath. So it is written

[–] Hoimo@ani.social 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Society changed a lot since Biblical times. They didn't "live together" in the same house, but these people certainly "lived together" in the same street or village before getting married. People didn't really have a lot of "home life" like we do now, they'd be out in the fields, or cooking in front of their home. So they'd see each other's home life and it's more "getting a house for themselves" than a big change in privacy or contact hours.

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

It isn't accurate anyway, the Bible certainly supports living together with people while not married in certain situations, for example with (sex) slaves.

[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 9 points 3 weeks ago

she cracks me up. hilarious skit work.

Stanzi

The Bible is very contradictory because it's a collection of books written throughout millennia, usually with prophets saying A and judges and scholars saying B (and people usually following B).

And I see Stanzi is on her Madonna-styled Trinitarian rebellion, lol. I love her content, hopefully she's not doing too many bumps!

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Stanzi is fucking hilarious.

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 4 points 3 weeks ago

They usually had a communal bed back then where everyone slepped on the same family bed together... Kids, gramma, sister and her boyfriend going at it, the wife and the husband going at it.

Very biblical.

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