Yeah not all of us
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The EU is the most successful multilateral group on the planet and the height of civilization.
To me, "proud" is the wrong word. I didn't do anything when it comes to founding the EU. So how can I be proud of something I didn't do? "Grateful" is the better word in my opinion.
The culture that made that happen also played a role in making you who you are. It's OK to be proud of that.
(And likewise, it's good to correct for how your culture influenced you in ways that you aren't proud of. For example, it took me a long time to realise what Black Peter must look like from the outside.)
It was, but the power monkeys always want more power. And centralising power in Europe has failed every time in history.
Please tell me you are not trying to argue that the EU is doomed to fail because Hitler and Napoleon both failed
The EU is doomed to fail if it continues centralising power though.
Its strength is in its diversity, its consensus model rather than tyranny of majority, allowing smaller countries a voice against larger ones so that Germany and France don't entirely dominate.
The EU has a lot of good, but that doesn't mean we need to bury our heads in the sand to its negatives either. It's not perfect. It's better than many similar organisations, and we should praise it for that, but praise doesn't mean it's immune to criticism either.
You nailed it. A cell-like structure is much harder to penetrate. Unlike a homogeneous blob with one supreme leader.
I agree with that (for the most part, I think it could do with a bit more centralisation), but I don't think it's what "every time in history" is pointing to
Fair.
Like the European Union?
The EU was created in 1993. There were no wars in Europe since ww2 until then. Draw your own conclusions
You have got to be taking the piss
- 1946: Greek civil war
- 1956: Hungarian revolution
- 1974: Turkish invasion of Cyprus
- 1989: Romanian revolution
- 1990: Transnistria War
- 1991: Yugoslav Wars
This does not even include the many smaller-scale rebellions or anything that happened in the Caucasus
None of those are wars. Bosnia is the first international conflict (war) on European soil since 1945.
The hell is your definition of a war that excludes all of those? The Hungarian revolution, Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and Transnistria war were all international conflicts as well
I will also note that the Bosnian war is both part of the Yugoslav wars that I mentioned and also kicked off before the Treaty of Maastricht
Er, the previous definition sets the current one?
Conflict is not war. War is international conflict, not two sets of dickheads doing the same thing they've been doing for millennia.
Here's a hint. How many countries were involved in Bosnia and when was the first international genocide conviction in Europe since the Nuremberg trials?
Okay so if we take your definition in which a civil war isn't a war: when the Soviet Union rolled tens of thousands of troops with tanks into Hungary, or when Turkey invaded Cyprus and made a new country out of a third of it, or when Russia put 14,000 troops in Moldova and made a new country out of the bit north of the Dniester, what exactly made those not international in your view?
How many countries were involved in Bosnia
At least three depending on what you count as a country. Again, given that it started before the EU existed, why are you saying that no wars happened between the end of WWII and the creation of the EU?
when was the first international genocide conviction in Europe since the Nuremberg trials?
- What does that have to do with anything?
Europeans should count their blessings and be proud of their continent!
The top 10% of Europeans own roughly 56% to 75% of total wealth (depending on the specific region), while the bottom half of the population holds as little as 2% to 5%.
Aren’t they better stats than most other places?
You don't have to be ill to get better
To win the cultural and intellectual battle, Europe must staunchly defend its model,
There is no argument in the article for why this should work in the future.
Europe profited from post colonial structures.
Redistribution is a political decision and possible to continue forever. But was redistribution the source of our prospetity, or just a bribe to buy our silence so that the elite could keep plundering the world?
With competition from China, we can't keep selling our technology above fair prices. Without those profits will people stay willing to share? Will we be able to maintain culture and education?
Piketty is usually on the money, but this feels incredibly out of touch with what is actually happening on the ground. Calling this "unprecedented prosperity" is a slap in the face to anyone under 40. Sure, on a graph the GDP looks fine, but try telling that to someone in Dublin or Lisbon who spends 60 percent of their income on a moldy apartment.
We are coasting on the success of the post-war era while our current leaders do everything they can to privatize the bits that still work. The "social model" is being hollowed out by austerity every single day and we are supposed to be proud because we aren't living in 1914? That is a pathetic bar to clear.
I am sick of these "everything is fine" takes from people who do not have to worry about their heating bills or whether their pension will even exist in thirty years. If this is the peak of European well-being, then we are in serious trouble. It feels like the elites are just congratulating themselves while the actual quality of life for the working class is in a freefall.
But at what cost?
..."thanks to centuries of pillaging the rest of the world"
That's really not true and you should know it. Portugal and Spain are two of the main colonial powers in European history and they were both shit poor in the 70's. Portugal more than Spain PRECISELY because it still had colonies, that were costing it blood and money for centuries by then.
I'm not victimizing Portugal, just reminding you, and anyone else who might need to learn this, that colonization was profitable only for short periods into few pockets. Portugal had 3rd world child mortality and alphabetization rates right before joining the EU. Joining an open trade area was the secret to change that.
Also, another important reminder, most EU member states never had colonies.
Don’t forget Britain too. They’re not as poor as Spain and Portugal by a long shot but because they had colonies, their manufacturing didn’t need to be competitive, and when the Germans developed industry, the British couldn’t compete. Still can’t.
That’s not to excuse colonial behaviours but to say that Europe is strong because of it is a misstatement.
Colonies filled some pockets but for the states, most of the time they were a money drain. Especially when effective colonization (as in taking control of vast territories and "civilize" the people) took place. The real profitable moments were mostly due to trade/piracy, and not territorial control, which is very expensive.