Vincent

Overigens:

De NOS en Nieuwsuur blijven X gebruiken als nieuwsbron, maar voor nu niet meer als plek om zelf nieuws te publiceren.

https://www.rtl.nl/nieuws/onderzoek/artikel/5540541/trollen-uit-het-buitenland-maakten-rond-nederlandse-verkiezingen

It's a joke, not a real point, don't worry.

Things can very much be co-related without one causing the other (e.g. when both are consequences of a third cause). And of course, correlated things can be completely unrelated still.

(And to emphasise: yes, it is also possible that there is a causal relation between correlated things.)

Yeah, as I mentioned in the other reply, I'm not saying there's no causation. I was just annoyed by the Freakonomics book that didn't give any reason to believe there was, other than the correlation.

Drivers are the problem.

No no no, I should be using dependency cooldowns. You all should be finding the vulnerabilities and getting them fixed before they reach me.

Right, I'm just venting my old frustration with that specific book because they only used the correlation as "proof", rather than indeed looking at more causal signals like studies on lead poisoning.

It is certainly also true that correlation doesn't mean that there's no causation, even in cases were there are no other experiments yet to support a causal relationship.

The Ian know it nice, but mainly because it's so fast. The end result I believe is the same as a balanced granny knot. The Berluti knot is even less likely to accidentally get untied, and is about as easy to intentionally untie.

Ah, is this that claim from Freakomics that they made right after explaining that correlation doesn't imply causation?

Yeah it's a neat party trick to show how fast you can tie them. I still had the same problem of it sometimes coming undone though.

Shows that when you sign away your right to democracy, it's really hard to get it back.

Today's weird rabbit hole for you: if your (or your children's) shoelaces keep coming undone, there's a better knot (which is just as easy) that doesn't come undone accidentally.

As this comic shows, it can save your life.