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[โ€“] deHaga@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It was, but the power monkeys always want more power. And centralising power in Europe has failed every time in history.

[โ€“] Skua@kbin.earth 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Please tell me you are not trying to argue that the EU is doomed to fail because Hitler and Napoleon both failed

[โ€“] Zombie@feddit.uk 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

The EU is doomed to fail if it continues centralising power though.

Its strength is in its diversity, its consensus model rather than tyranny of majority, allowing smaller countries a voice against larger ones so that Germany and France don't entirely dominate.

The EU has a lot of good, but that doesn't mean we need to bury our heads in the sand to its negatives either. It's not perfect. It's better than many similar organisations, and we should praise it for that, but praise doesn't mean it's immune to criticism either.

[โ€“] deHaga@feddit.uk 2 points 16 hours ago

You nailed it. A cell-like structure is much harder to penetrate. Unlike a homogeneous blob with one supreme leader.

[โ€“] Skua@kbin.earth 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I agree with that (for the most part, I think it could do with a bit more centralisation), but I don't think it's what "every time in history" is pointing to

[โ€“] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[โ€“] deHaga@feddit.uk -1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The EU was created in 1993. There were no wars in Europe since ww2 until then. Draw your own conclusions

[โ€“] Skua@kbin.earth 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You have got to be taking the piss

  • 1946: Greek civil war
  • 1956: Hungarian revolution
  • 1974: Turkish invasion of Cyprus
  • 1989: Romanian revolution
  • 1990: Transnistria War
  • 1991: Yugoslav Wars

This does not even include the many smaller-scale rebellions or anything that happened in the Caucasus

[โ€“] deHaga@feddit.uk 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

None of those are wars. Bosnia is the first international conflict (war) on European soil since 1945.

[โ€“] Skua@kbin.earth 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The hell is your definition of a war that excludes all of those? The Hungarian revolution, Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and Transnistria war were all international conflicts as well

I will also note that the Bosnian war is both part of the Yugoslav wars that I mentioned and also kicked off before the Treaty of Maastricht

[โ€“] deHaga@feddit.uk 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Er, the previous definition sets the current one?

Conflict is not war. War is international conflict, not two sets of dickheads doing the same thing they've been doing for millennia.

Here's a hint. How many countries were involved in Bosnia and when was the first international genocide conviction in Europe since the Nuremberg trials?

[โ€“] Skua@kbin.earth 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Okay so if we take your definition in which a civil war isn't a war: when the Soviet Union rolled tens of thousands of troops with tanks into Hungary, or when Turkey invaded Cyprus and made a new country out of a third of it, or when Russia put 14,000 troops in Moldova and made a new country out of the bit north of the Dniester, what exactly made those not international in your view?

How many countries were involved in Bosnia

At least three depending on what you count as a country. Again, given that it started before the EU existed, why are you saying that no wars happened between the end of WWII and the creation of the EU?

when was the first international genocide conviction in Europe since the Nuremberg trials?

  1. What does that have to do with anything?
[โ€“] deHaga@feddit.uk 1 points 16 minutes ago (1 children)

As I said. It was the only genocide since WW2 in Europe.

[โ€“] Skua@kbin.earth 1 points 1 minute ago

...okay? How is that relevant to your claim of there being no wars in Europe from 1945 to 1993?