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Er, the previous definition sets the current one?
Conflict is not war. War is international conflict, not two sets of dickheads doing the same thing they've been doing for millennia.
Here's a hint. How many countries were involved in Bosnia and when was the first international genocide conviction in Europe since the Nuremberg trials?
Okay so if we take your definition in which a civil war isn't a war: when the Soviet Union rolled tens of thousands of troops with tanks into Hungary, or when Turkey invaded Cyprus and made a new country out of a third of it, or when Russia put 14,000 troops in Moldova and made a new country out of the bit north of the Dniester, what exactly made those not international in your view?
At least three depending on what you count as a country. Again, given that it started before the EU existed, why are you saying that no wars happened between the end of WWII and the creation of the EU?
As I said. It was the only genocide since WW2 in Europe.
...okay? How is that relevant to your claim of there being no wars in Europe from 1945 to 1993?
Bosnia was the only one to involve international involvement and genocide. I'm not sure how I can explain it more simply.
It was one of the largest international interventions of the late 20th century.
United Nations (UNPROFOR): The UN Protection Force involved troops from over 40 countries, including the United Kingdom, France, Canada, Pakistan, and the Netherlands.
NATO: Marking its first-ever combat operations, NATO intervened via Operation Deliberate Force in 1995. Key contributors included the United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany, and Spain.
Contact Group: A diplomatic body formed to facilitate peace, consisting of the United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, and Russia.
Foreign Volunteers: Thousands of volunteers joined various sides, including "mujahideen" from various Middle Eastern and North African countries supporting the Bosniaks, and Greek and Russian volunteers supporting the Bosnian Serbs.
Right, so you're just objectively wrong and also the genocide conviction is indeed irrelevant.
And to counter that, you're bringing up an example that also started before the EU was made
It's considered the worst conflict in Europe since 1945. Genocide, ethnic cleansing. Millions displaced, rape as a weapon. Major multinational involvement.
If you want to dance on the head of the pin, yes there were other wars, but none of that scale Doesn't change history.
Lol, yes it started in 1992, well done you finally got something right.
So, in other words, when you said, "There were no wars in Europe since ww2 until [1993]", you were in fact completely talking out your arse
Ok, there were no major wars between the end of the 2nd world war and the formation of the EU. Happy now?
It was just a casual comment mate, get over yourself
I really hope you can recognise that 1992 is actually before 1993
Lol, are you for real? The Maastricht treaty was signed in 1992 you fucking retard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht_Treaty
Maybe look at the date it took effect and actually formed the EU
Also, to quote a mysterious someone from further up the thread: "The EU was created in 1993."
Lol. I don't give a shit mate. It was a throwaway comment joking about how there were no major wars until the EU was formed.
Correlation is not causation, it's not that deep.
This is the most comically disingenuous thing I have ever seen. "Draw your own conclusions" fuckin sure lmao
you thought I was being serious? LOL
Sure looked like it. Sure looks like you've been proved definitively wrong and now you're like iT wAs OnLy A jOkE bRo. You sure look like a bad faith commenter who can't admit they're wrong, or "twat" if you want to use the shorthand.
You think I think the Bosnian war was caused by the signing of the Maastricht treaty? That's what you think?
Have you been near a lot of lead paint in your life?
Whether you actually believe it or not, you're arguing strenuously for it to advance your political position. It doesn't really matter if it's genuine, the effect is the same
Also I've seen enough of your comments elsewhere to know that you hate the EU enough that it's a plausible position for you to try to take
No I'm not lol. The only argument was that Bosnia was the first major war in Europe since 1945. It happening in 1992 is pure coincidence. To think other wise is pretty fucking stupid. But I guess that's your level.
Your feeble downvoting of all my comments is fucking hilarious mate. This isn't Reddit you mong.
okay lmao
I'm downvoting you for lying and being a dickhead. I can also see you upvoting your own comments. Is there a bit of insecurity about upvotes there, maybe?
It's obviously a snarky comment retard.
I can't upvote my own comments you bellend