Whatever, don't focus on this. There were 100s of thousands of people in Minneapolis and so many more nationwide. The number of high school walkouts hasn't been seen in a long time. Things like the constitution just show the importance of continuing to contest these spaces which is why PSL, FRSO, and the rest of them are doing so. Don't forget the role PSL has played in spreading this movement and normalizing the idea of a general strike. Today was an incredibly powerful day, not just in my community (wish I could say more without doxxing myself) but nationwide.
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The way you should look at this is exactly the same way the fascists in Ukraine looked at the pro-EU elements of Maidan.
Mentioning them is s going to make some people uncomfortable but there are several lessons to learn from Maidan about what effective vanguarding is and the fascists functioned as a tiny 5% of those events with 95% of the rest of the attendees just being people who "don't want this anymore" without a guiding thought on what they want to come afterwards. Liberal elements were acting during Maidan too. There were even lgbt flags in part of it. The fascists shrugged it off and worked around it while doing their work.
The cringe shit doesn't matter. Just keep doing vanguard work and find the way to gain power during the process.
Yeah it's not much but it certainly isn't nothing. Also the crowd I saw yesterday on the way home was about 5-6 times what it was at the height of the No Kings shit and just now I passed the spot again and the crowd has at least doubled in size from what I saw yesterday. It is an absolute fundamental responsibility for us to go among the people at these actions and do outreach, education, and agitation.
It's easy for us to sit here and sneer at the libs but these are the most reachable people in our communities and it is tiring work and it will be like hearing some of the worst reddit tier or .world tier arguments but we have to do it (those of us able of course).
Another thing I noticed is the crowd skewed a lot younger than the typical old boomer radlibs usually dominating the scene. And the signs they had almost all were specifically about ICE and Palestine and a lot less focusing on Trump alone or even at all.
It's easy for us to sit here and sneer at the libs but these are the most reachable people in our communities and it is tiring work and it will be like hearing some of the worst reddit tier or .world tier arguments but we have to do it (those of us able of course).
Don't forget that when engaging with these people even if they disagree on the spot many of them will go on to repeat the exact things you said later. There's a weird pride thing that happens with a lot of people where they refuse to admit being wrong in an argument but take on board the messages and repeat them themselves.
That is also an excellent point. My sister used to have some real questionable views about race and gender stuff and we had our disagreements, but one day out of the blue she surprised me by calling my mom out for reposting crypto fascist shit on social media and then in the conversation with me that ensued she admitted that I was pretty much right about all my criticism and that she recognized she had been a shitty bigot.
She still listens to the most god awful country music and married a Marine vet but he seems to be a potential comrade (it is basically my life mission to ensure he becomes a based antifa supersoldier). At least contact with the cooler side of my family is already working on him. We even got him to acknowledge the moral correctness of veganism even if I doubt he or my sister would ever commit.
I used to get "that's some tumblr shit" from people all the time when calling out their casual bigotry. Now those exact same people do the same callouts I did against them.
Whether they admit it or not the criticism does creep into their heads, next time they consider it the same thoughts pop up from the conversation that was had.
Nobody can escape becoming conscious of an issue that they were unconscious to previously. They may show anger and resistance to the fact you've brought it up but they will not be able to forget it.
In people who are not actively choosing to be horrible people, ignorance can only become consciousness. Only the genuinely bad people become conscious of an issue and then actively choose to be bad. The vast majority of these people are just ignorant.
In people who are not actively choosing to be horrible people, ignorance can only become consciousness.
Beautifully written. You have always been one of my fav posters and this is the shit I love about this site. Buried under several kilometers of irony poisoning are nuggets like this that would have our favorite theorists agape at while hastily scribbling their own equivalent to a quote tweet.
It's so important to remember too. Most people are good but ignorant, they can only go one direction and you just need to shout enough information at them for it to happen. Material conditions and interests still apply of course.
Can someone please fill me with revolutionary optimism about today, I'm in a state that didn't do shit as far as I can tell and it's not even a red state. I haven't had time to watch or read anything about today's events. From what I can tell 250 people turned out in my state. No real Union involvement. Nothing.
The revolution won’t be uniformly distributed, and it mostly won’t be in the west. A lack of mobilization in one area does not at all prevent history from occurring.
People mostly follow by example. If genuine revolution breaks out somewhere else, it will shift the prevailing discourse even in the slumbering areas. Those who at one moment seemed irrelevant will suddenly make names for themselves as they meet the moment.
In my area the movement is growing. Its also a solid coalition of many diverse orgs, think PSL, PYM, and other decent M-L orgs. The number of volunteers is growing. I saw on PSL Los Angeles (not where I live but I follow their instagram for interest) that there was a line around their block for the organizing meeting, just hours after the march.
People are hungry for getting organized, people are inspired by MN, and in places with strong coalitions involving M-L orgs, I think the movement still has potential to grow at a rapid pace. I don't know when we will get to a true "nationwide general strike" territory, but I am feeling the optimism from being out there today.
My friend said his nephew or kid's high school was missing like 20-25% of the students today. Which is awesome.
This actually makes a lot of sense, Marx talks about it in 18th Brumaire: bourgeois society is unheroic, but it needs heroes for bourgeois revolution. They wrap themselves in the imagery of revolutionary moments of the past and awaken their dead to make their ghosts walk again to glorify new struggles. Instead of birthing new revolution they take poetry from the past to dress up in its skin.
Marx is so fuckin goth y'all holy shit.
It’s so good it deserves posting the full quote:
18th brumaire intro
Hegel remarks somewhere[*] that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce. Caussidière for Danton, Louis Blanc for Robespierre, the Montagne of 1848 to 1851[66] for the Montagne of 1793 to 1795, the nephew for the uncle. And the same caricature occurs in the circumstances of the second edition of the Eighteenth Brumaire.
Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. And just as they seem to be occupied with revolutionizing themselves and things, creating something that did not exist before, precisely in such epochs of revolutionary crisis they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service, borrowing from them names, battle slogans, and costumes in order to present this new scene in world history in time-honored disguise and borrowed language. Thus Luther put on the mask of the Apostle Paul, the Revolution of 1789-1814 draped itself alternately in the guise of the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire, and the Revolution of 1848 knew nothing better to do than to parody, now 1789, now the revolutionary tradition of 1793-95. In like manner, the beginner who has learned a new language always translates it back into his mother tongue, but he assimilates the spirit of the new language and expresses himself freely in it only when he moves in it without recalling the old and when he forgets his native tongue.
The last part about learning a new language is a perfect analogy. New revolutions are plagued with ambivalence and uncertainty. In trying to assert itself as a new movement, it lacks the modes of expression and self-understanding to do so without reference to historical revolutionary moments.
In order to illuminate the physical realities that shaped the conduct of medieval warfare, this chapter traces out the military topography of fortifications, along with their associated infrastructure of roads, ports, and bridges, inherited by medieval Europe from the Roman Empire, and then discusses the multifaceted ways in which medieval polities sought to maintain, expand upon, renew, and ultimately transform this physical infrastructure to suit their needs.
It was not, however, only physical structures that the medieval world inherited from Rome, but also legal and administrative practices, practical engineering handbooks, and even patterns of military thinking. Consequently, we draw attention to the ongoing influence of Roman law and institutions, as well as technological expertise on the organization by medieval governments of the human, material, and financial resources that were necessary to construct and sustain their own military topographies.
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Marx lived in the peak goth period
That quote plus this image go pretty hard in not going to lie.
Whatever gets libs to turn on ICE, I'm for it, many of those people will move on from childish fantasies anyway as they radicalize further
We have to give baby lefties room to be cringe
If you all met the me of a decade ago you would've PPB'd me into oblivion lmao
lmao yeah same. The old CTH sub did a lot of heavy lifting bullying me to learn and become more principled.
The bullying on that sub was the most effective period of the left on that hell site.
That's exactly why it was banned.
Something something the communists disdain to hide their views and aims etc etc
We are morally correct and thus do not have to do the song and dance reactionaries must engage in.
and you would've deserved it. as would past me.
I was bullied into reading theory on the old sub and that's how I became a principled marxist
Saaaame lol
Same tbh
I hope no video survives of me chanting "audit the fed" in 2011...
We have to give baby lefties room to be cringe
Why I left the left
3/5 included?
I wonder what these people expect to have happen when they do this. Are they hoping that ICE agents will see this and go "Oh no, I'm acting Un-American and will change my behaviour posthaste!" or are they hoping that this will be in the "history books" to show that they were on the "right side of history" or something? Like, what result do they imagine this will actually achieve?
what does anybody participating in any way think the direct outcome of their specific presence is? does anybody think they are the linchpin of the revolution?
you're right, why bother doing anything.
lol nice analysis
What? I mean, what is the point in bringing a giant constitution of the US to a protest like this and carrying it around like a sacred artifact?
What do liberals think will happen when they protest in this way? It feels like they are praying to the US civil religion to smite their enemies, rather than organising and working towards specific goals when they do this. This is just pure empty spectacle. And maybe I'm coming across more abrasive than I intended, but I genuinely do what to know what the thought process is behind this, because it makes it easier to understand why they do it and how to direct them towards more effective forms of resistance.
constitutional crisis? try putting the document being violated on a big sign. That'll sort it out 
Trump could just say "we're getting rid of the constitution! it's old, it's boring, it's not that great really! we're making America Even Greater this time" and liberals would wander the streets in a daze with pocket constitutions doing this
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The organizing space that created something like this is full of people who basically have no idea what to do but they've got to do something. So any benign idea gets applauded because no one wants to say "that's dumb" when they don't have a better plan.
fuck your slaving genociding constitution
If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?
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