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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Traffic restrictions will promote getting where the fuck you want to be on any sort of schedule

A true Orwellian dystopia

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 4 hours ago

Today you can walk to the shops.

Tomorrow you're in a Siberian gulag.

Slippery fucking slope.

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 12 hours ago

When they argue in bad faith, they’ll say anything and never waver from it to further their agenda.

Oh, look. The Torygraph.

[–] Ironfist@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"every opinion different than mine is stalinist!" said the chugs with their mouths full of mcnuggets and cheap beer.

[–] bobzer@lemmy.zip 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Don't drag cheap beer into this!

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 2 points 12 hours ago

Expensive beer is Stalinist

[–] TIN@feddit.uk 85 points 1 day ago (6 children)

There's a conspiracy theory that what 15 minute cities secretly means is that you'll be confined in a sector of the city and unable to leave without a permit or something.

Why anyone would think that, no idea!

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 14 hours ago

I don't think it makes any logical sense. It doesn't need to, because that's not the point.

Repeat the buzzwords (15 minute cities, WEF, replacement theory, etc) on Facebook or Twitter and the lunatic followers/bots will magically appear to follow, like and subscribe you up the social media pages.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 1 day ago

Possibly because that’s actually what the fascists want.

In car-centric American cities however, that would be impossible. You can't just block the single street that leads out of the neighborhood!

Oh, wait.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Authoritarians are poor at distinguising "is allowed to" from "is forced to." This is also why they hate gay people-- they think that if someone else is allowed to be gay, that'll mean that everyone will be compelled to.

The reality is that they fear freedom. They like the taste of boot.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 13 hours ago

Yeah because in their dreams girls should be compelled to have sex with them, so it's a kind of twisted but understandable logic I guess.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 14 hours ago

And why would a bunch of never-left-their-staters even care in the first place? They clearly don't want freedom of movement

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago

Why anyone would think that, no idea!

Because that's what Republicans would do, obviously.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Or like, why do they think this couldn't happen in a city with cars?

They can just block the roads and cars are worthless.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 75 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh no, imagine life being convenient

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's horrible. I've had to give up my beloved 90-minute commute, and if I want something from a shop, I have to got off my lazy arse and spend a couple of minutes walking over there, instead of wasting 20 minutes each way driving to some nightmarish big-box retail hellhole in the outskirts of the city.

And let's not even talk about the clean air and nearly complete absence of road-raging premature-ejaculator drivers speeding along the city streets.

[–] earlstilt@feddit.uk 1 points 12 hours ago

You seem to have skipped over the part where there’s no job at all without that commute

[–] pucker4676@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Does this also come with universal health care, free education, 100% emoloyment, and housing as a right? If not, it's not very Stalinist.

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is the UK, so we do actually have the NHS which is free at point of use for all citizens, provided you can wait the wait times, free primary and secondary education and university that costs £10k per year, and council housing for those who can't access housing in any other way. That's three out of four, at least.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You just need to re-open the coal mines to get the 100% employment.

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago
[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yesterday I headed out from the apartment for errands. I walked a total of about 8 blocks. I completed:

  • A haircut
  • Shopping for some house items
  • Post office for mailing a letter and stamps
  • Stopped to listen to some live music in a market hall
  • Talked with a local community group about tech stuff
  • Visited a library
  • Hit up the bank ATM
  • Snagged a couple bags of groceries

Total time: about 115 minutes

I LOVE living in a walkable neighborhood. Fuck car-only life. If you want it, fine, but don't demand that we all live in your apocalyptic transportation hellscape.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I could have done all thos trips in 40 minutes with my car, if we ignore the time in traffic, the time fueling it, the time waiting for oil changes, and the time spent earning the money to pay for the car, the gas, and the insurance.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago (6 children)

You also left out finding parking and then walking through spectacularly scenic parking lots to and from each destination's front door. With bigger malls/box stores you'd walk further than I did going around the block just having to cross the parking lot.

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[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Don't forget all that energy you saved by not walking anywhere. You paid good money for those calories and you're going to hold on to them for dear life.

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[–] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 9 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

It's Stalinist to want to cut down on car dependency and actually have a livable place.

  • Say the NIMBYs.

Really, the one thing we need to do is reduce car dependency to where you don't have to drive everywhere, and make it to where driving is completely optional at the very least.

This is the Telegraph talking about Labour government plans. Of course they would present it like that.

I personally think the better way is to make people realize themselves that not driving is the better option. Linking omnipresent cameras with driver databases to implement a vague system of fines administered by the councils does not instill me with enough confidence either. I see contested fines clogging up courtrooms (or whatever legal recourse there must be) for years.

Raise parking fees, reduce parking spaces - at a relatively slow rate to keep predictable outrage local and small enough. Implement a system where every car purchase needs to be accompanied by a proof of parking like in Japan (owned driveway or rented spot). Invest in public transport and infrastructure for pedestrians and bicyclists. Tax breaks for infrastructure that's missing (a supermarket, a clinic, a theater, etc.). That would make more sense to me than the threat of punishment through this somewhat Orwellian system.

East Germany was an authoritarian state without rule of law. This can be true at the time as the fact that in most cities they created neighborhoods that come close to this 15-min ideal. Childcare, multi disiplinary medical "poly clinics," and decent public transport. Sure, long lines at the grocery store and an 18 year waiting list to buy a shit car. But it strikes me as extremely dumb to ignore useful lessons from that out of cold war principle.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"[...] “perverse” and “Stalinist” approach to social control, adding: “It is an encroachment on civil liberties, and it is a page out of the East Germany playbook. With the 15-minute city, you will have to, in effect, apply for an internal passport to go and visit your granny."

That's nothing new. Fossil fuel funded desinformation and their not-less-desinformation-loving right-wing friends have a long history of telling the fairy tale of 15-min cities as a kind of population control.

It's all based on the basic premise that car-brains can't understand that "you cannot go there freely by car" is not the same as "you cannot go there freely at all". So when you tell them that you can only drive somewhere a limited number of times per year before paying a fee for using their car, their brain-damage automatically translates it to "I'm not allowed to go there anymore".

PS: Bringing the "East-German playbook" into this story makes it even more absurd, given the (non-)availability of cars and thus the quality of public transport in the ex-GDR. But that's another thing car-brains can't understand, so they will not see the problem.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

It's called a train ticket and it should be subsidized too

[–] Denjin@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago

Fuck the torygraph.

[–] bossito@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They clearly never been to Moscow, they would love it though, a car hellscape.

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 4 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Eh, for all its faults Moscow has a fucking amazing metro+light rail system. All my friends who still live there aren't even thinking about buying cars, because why would they?

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 1 points 47 minutes ago

There's even a whole video game series about it!

[–] bossito@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Fair enough. But also still plenty of avenues that look like highways

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As it happens, Russian cities saw huge sprawl during the USSR, though probably mostly starting in the sixties. As is usual, the pre-revolution city centre is twisty and cozy, while around it are radiating straight avenues for kilometres. So sorta the opposite of what the headline says.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 points 12 hours ago

Straight avenue is not necessarily a bad thing though, if they're high-density, walkable, full of services and green spaces, and interconnected with public transit, as they were.

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