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Here's the thing though. When THEY need it, it's ok. They'll just pop over to the next state and nobody back home will ever know. They have absolutely no problem being hypocrites in any aspect of their lives.
They'll just pop over to the next state and nobody back home will ever know
Not the poor ones. The poor ones die.
Class war, not culture war.
Not if it was diagnosed in a regressive state.
The record of the pregnancy doesn't go away and because any reasonable obstetricians that can, leaves the state they are likely to end up with the Christian™️ ones that will report them for murder.
Very fucked if you live on an island though. Not only do you need to be rich, you need a visa.
At least the Dominican Republic will be getting a new penal code this year that allows it in cases of life-threatening complications this year. Then you can pray that the courts let your doctor do it instead.
"It's okay. They'll make an exception for me. Because I'm special."
- Republican women
My conservative grandma who votes R every time because of abortion had an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. When my mother was pregnant with me at fifteen, she offered her an abortion.
What's her reasoning that others should not have that option?
She would never acknowledge the fact that she wanted me aborted, so it’s not something I’ve heard justified. This is a family tree defined by sexual violence, so there are a lot of topics which exist in that liminal space.
Republican women live in a world that is governed by fear and control. Abortion being an option removes that aspect of fear. There is something in it that works the same way a “kink” does, that if one follows the rules and takes the hurt, everything works out in the end. Why would you take out the hurt?
But to actually answer your question, asking her the question would just not get a response.
I've read that conservatives model the world as "strict rules that have exceptions made on a case by case basis". That maybe works if you're in a small village. Smarter people realize that doesn't scale and you should write better rules in the first place.
"I thought they'd make an exception for my abortion" sobs woman who voted for the Women Dying of Pregnancy Complications Party.
My wife literally had to have all three of those while we were trying to have our twins. She had a double whammy of a rogue ectopic they couldn't find on scans and an empty gestational sac in the uterus that wouldn't pass. They knew there had to be an ectopic somewhere because her hCG levels weren't tracking with what they should be with what they could see on the scans.
So the Catholic hospital we were at gave her multiple courses of methotrexate to make sure they got the ectopic. Multiple scripts for I believe it was Misoprostol to try to pass the miscarriage. But when that didn't work and she showed up to a monitoring appointment with signs of sepsis, they immediately took her in for emergency surgery to remove it.
Then when we finally got our twins we had to do a late term selective termination because the pregnancy was originally quads, one died early enough to be reabsorbed but was conjoined at the umbilical cord to her twin. That twin had a massive stroke during some crucial brain development weeks and we found out at 20 weeks that she had basically no brain and her constant seizures were literally killing the other two and might even cause her to lose the entire pregnancy.
Literally the only option to save the two healthy twins was to terminate that triplet. Abortion is literally the only reason my twins are alive today.
Who would downvote this
Sad chuds who can't argue with the need for abortion in my wife's particular case but still hate it generally? idk.
I can't tell you how many conservatives I've talked to about abortion with our particular story who just viscerally hate it as a concept because in their minds 90% of the people using it are just floozies who can't keep their legs closed. Let me tell you, the existential crisis so many of them have when I tell them that even if that were the case, there is no possible way stop just those abortions without also killing babies like my twins is crazy.
Like yeah Buddy, every second that triplet was having those seizures the risk we just lost all three of them grew. On top of that we were measurably watching the two healthy babies slip down the fetal growth charts. As in they were on one growth curve, and they dropped down to a lower curve because the seizures were stealing all the nutrients my wife's body had. There was a vary real possibility that one or both of these little barely over 20 week old fetuses just died while we waited for this surgery with them rushing absolutely everything because NY is no questions asked before 24 weeks. We finally had it as just over 22 weeks. Sure, theoretically they could have done their "morality check" in those 2 weeks. But realistically that's not going to happen. What's actually going to happen is exactly what we already see happening in places where women are dying or nearly dying of sepsis because of these bans.
Just posting a resource for Misoprostol in places with limited availability: https://fourthievesvinegar.org/abortion-care/
US maternal mortality rate:
2016: 17 women per 100,000 births
2024: 19 women per 100,000 births
That is an 11% increase and higher than any year in the 2000-2019 timeframe.
Sort of unrelated but I always like to point out that the fatality rate for active duty police in the US is only around 12 per 100,000, so it's more dangerous to be pregnant than to be a cop
Not the rate but the needlessness is the issue.
The rate is the factual evidence that denying women healthcare creates real harm.
A singular case of denied abortion leading to death is enough here. It is not about the statistic threat but the unnecessary death.
That may be so, but the numbers are where you point to show how deficient the US healthcare system is towards pregnancy and mothers.
Republican Women: "Good, keep your legs closed, slut." Wish I was joking.
Liberals still having trouble conceptualising that MAGA is a death cult that has no issue with policies that kill everyone.
Any termination of pregnanacy before the 20th week is considered an abortion btw. So if you were to miscarry it would be considered an abortion, take that as you will.
The treatment for an unwanted pregnancy is abortion.
People really dance around this issue, but we simply need to give women access to safe abortions for unwanted pregnancies.
No no, the compassionate approach is to force the women to bear the child, raise it in poverty and neglect if not outright constant abuse, wash out into the foster care system, grow up with no skills and fewer prospects, become homeless and then round them up and throw them in prison when they use drugs to cope with their shit lives. Just like Jesus wants, you baby murderer!
And the GOP says: "OK, then you die. Sucks to be a woman."
Yeah, I mean that's just Jesus telling me to swap them out for a younger model. Blessed!
Oh, here's the other time abortion is acceptable to Republican women: when they (or their daughters) fuck some guy that they shouldn't (for whatever reason) and then get pregnant.
You forgot about when their shitty husbands fuck their secretaries or some underage girl.
For some yes, but for others, that's just the punishment for the (insert derogatory term) who tempted/stole their husband.
Doesn't affect them until it directly affects them. They won't support it until it directly affects them. Because it never affects enough of them at once, nothing ever changes.
Fermi's Paradox was staring us in the face the whole time.
The procedure for a stillbirth removal is an abortion. Often in the third trimester.
The evil authors of these laws don’t care. Women are dying and being maimed, losing limbs, getting very sick before care…living children losing their mothers, for the concept of a person who might be. They might even try to justify it with their religious shit.
Won't work on them unless they're actually in the process of dying.
Conservatives don't care about being warned about things. They only care when those things happen directly to them and they have to actively deal with the consequences.
Remember seeing some pristine examples of this during COVID. Conservatives in the process of dying in the hospital and then start begging for help.
They think it will be just poor women who will die, so they're ok with it.
You underestimate how crazy fundamentalists are. For them, it's worth dying if it saves the fetus, because for them a fetus is a living and breathing child.
I'll just never understand how they look at abortion as murder of a human and then commit a genocide against some brown people somewhere else. Literal demons.
You think these fuckfaces give a fuck about their possible future health?
That image is terrifying
"I'd kill a thousand women!"
"... 'If it means saving one unborn child?' "
"..."
What if the unborn child is going to be a woman?
She's only saceificeable once shes past the age pedophiles are interested in her.
That's the idea, though.
but if you die you see Jesus sooner: checkmate libtard!
This type of argument will never work though because guess what happens to an aborted fetus? They die. They. Die.
Like the discussion can't be around "making abortions illegal means women will die" because those who are behind these kinds of laws would just argue the opposite "making abortions legal means children will die" because they consider life to start earlier than others.
The whole debate is around when a life is considered a life with one side saying it's at conception and with one side saying it's after 18 weeks or so.
(I am pro abortion btw, I am just tired of people thinking they can change anyone's mind with arguments only convincing the already convinced)
From a medical perspective I find it irrelevant. Healthcare decisions around childbirth should be between a woman and her doctor, or licensed nurse practitioner midwife. And ruled over by HIPAA which is still in effect, for now..
HiPAA for women is to be cut, per Project 2025.
Ok, so science story time. I’m not a doctor.
The female human’s reproductive tract is somewhat loosey-goosey. There is a direct path between the outside world, through the vagina, through the cervix, through the uterus, through the fallopian tubes and into the female abdomen. Not literally, but figuratively the ovaries “float” in the abdomen, just outside of the entrance to the fallopian tubes.
While discussing this with a doctor once, I asked, “Since the ovaries are not directly connected to the fallopian tubes, when an egg erupts from an ovary, what insures that the egg enters the fallopian tubes and heads to the uterus?”
She replied, “Not much. Occasionally the egg will stay in the abdominal cavity and implant there.”
So think about that for a second. It’s not uncommon for a human eggs to float into the female abdomen, attach and begin growing. That’s called an “ectopic pregnancy”. If you know enough women who trust you, you’ll likely know at least one who’s had surgery for an ectopic pregnancy.
So think about that for another second. If you know someone who is against abortions, be sure to ask them how they suggest solving ectopic pregnancies.
If they don’t have an answer, consider what it would be like to die from one.
A 'business' contact that is on a social media that I have to use for work, posted essentially the opposite of this, claiming that none of these are abortions, and if your provider says that they are, that you just need to find another provider. Challenge here is that none of the providers are willing to take the risk...