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[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 73 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

This rally cry (to dismantle DHS) sounds exactly like the kind of popular policy position the Democrats always take when they are out of power. Then, when we give them the power to act, they refuse to implement it (usually in service of some nonsense like “mending”, “coalition building”, or “returning to normalcy”).

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yep, so if voting is still on the menu, we need to vote out the incumbent establishment dems who refuse to remediate these state terror programs.

Schumer and Jeffries won’t even support defunding ICE. Primary these dipshits while you still can New York!

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

Installing new politicians in the DNC will change nothing until those Junior members are confirmed to not be a threat to the current power structure they're not given any power that would threaten that power structure

[–] Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Bro, you can’t vote your way out of fascism. This is tyranny these are not normal times anymore normal things do not always apply for circumstances the courts the laws they’re not gonna save us. The sooner people realize that the sooner we can collectively do something.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

Wealthy Democratic Party donors/leaders need the military in the streets putting down populist uprisings as much as Republican ones do. Often they are the same people.

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Not even when they get in power.

Dems are already pushing back against people saying 'Abolish ICE'

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Absorbed into the FBI and CIA.

[–] telllos@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Because, let's face it, democrat and republican are two faces of the same coin.

[–] kablez@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

It's the same model across the western world. Two party systems dominate because it's the easiest model for the oligarchs to control us with.

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

We need a third Socialist Party

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Abolish ice, abolish palintir, abolish space x and demilitarize the police. Police should have a bachelor’s degree at minimum.

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[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (32 children)

And how are we going to do that? By asking politely? Waving more signs? Marches?

Actually convincing people to fucking vote is the only peaceful solution.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

If you want people to vote for us when there isn't a Republican in the White House then we need to push for leaders who

  1. Consistently tell people Republicans are bad people with bad ideas.
  2. Tell people creating ICE and DHS were Republican ideas and they need to be gotten rid of because Republicans have bad ideas.
  3. Tell people things were better back in the 90s before ICE existed because we didn't let Republicans' bad ideas ruin everything and we could just go back to what we were doing then.
  4. Publicly disown anyone who tries to campaign with Republicans or says anything positive about them.

Deviating from those things only loses us votes.

e; deleted something that was needlessly proactive

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 20 points 1 month ago

Read: There's no peaceful solution. Fascism in America has already reached critical mass. Start organizing before it's too late.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It doesn't matter how people vote if none of their available options wants to do this.

Articles like this are how you get people to sell candidates that have this position.

I guess it's just easier to whine about shit though.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

If you think you’re limited in your options to represent you in government, then it’s not the land of the free.

It may seem like there’s only two viable options, and those two options will do all in their power to convince people of that, but anyone can be elected if they gain enough support. There are independents after all, and primaries still count for something too, if enough people show up to vote.

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 1 month ago

There are some economic strategies too, but they would involve varying levels of self-inflicted pain. They also need significant coordination to be effective.

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[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Democrats will never dismantle an organization that they gain so much from. Prior to this year, the largest increases in federal funding to ice and the department of Homeland security have come from Democrats. Who else is going to do the record number of deportations for Democrats if it wasn't for ice and Homeland security? And I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone that the one currently running things for Trump was running things for Obama.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (6 children)

It's time to dismantle the Democrat party.

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[–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 month ago

Dismantle the DHS? Whoa there. Lets cool it with the antisemitism

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 12 points 1 month ago

It's given me Nazi Germanic creeps since the moment it was named the Department of Homeland Security.

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago

It's time to dismantle the government in general. The government (through ICE) are stifling people's liberties. It's time that the proletariat has a say. Seriously!

[–] ChonkyLincoln@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s time to dismantle the US Government, prosecute sex offenders, pedophiles, corrupt politicians and start over.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s time to dismantle the US Government

[–] Macallan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

He forgot to say what he would do to the billionaires.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

DHS?

It's time to dismantle the USA.

Its at this point a failed state and it should just fall apart in 50 independent countries. About half of them (I'll leave it as as exercise to the reader to figure out which ones) will turn into Canada type counties with healthcare

The other will turn into 3rd world banana republics that won't be able to feed their own population while having constant coup'detats going on. After a few decades the world will intervene and install normal functioning democracies in those countries after outlawing religion there.

A woman can dream

[–] aphonefriend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The world will interfere and fix them? Like who? Russia? China? Like everyone else intervened and fixed the middle east?

I hate to break it to you, but the problem isn't the usa.

The problem is the rich.

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[–] mar10sanch32@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

It's a war-time consolidation of power that has been irredeemably infiltrated & turned against the country's own residents. It can easily be dismantled l, with power distributed to competing agencies keeping each other in check, like it was for 200 years.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Fuck Trump, Fuck ICE, Free Palestine!

[–] lemmylump@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The day I can't vote is the day I take arms.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

That might be a little like "not using the fire extinguisher until the fire has spread into the living room."

Too little, too late. Trump is talking about suspendeding the midterms. Might be time to show some guns.

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[–] j_elgato@leminal.space 5 points 1 month ago

But then who will protect us from those 20 guys with box cutters?

You remember, the ones they used as the excuse to establish the ministry of the interior.

[–] oppy1984 3 points 1 month ago

Actually we're long overdue, the time to dismantle the DHS was the same day it was created.

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