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[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

I don't understand why people can't understand that multiple things can be true.

Someone can have voted for Harris, donated to her campaign, preferred her to be president, felt that personally their own lives would have been better if Harris were president, and also be disgusted that Harris is pro-genocide.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

probably the part where she doesn't care that people are disgusted by her being pro-genocide

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

There would be no ice raids like this all over the country. No tarrifs. No allies lost due to insults and threats. No threats against lgbtq+, no concentration camps for immigrants(or no newer ones from bidens term. No loss of Nato. No that of nuclear proliferation. Stronger Ukraine. And less support for Israel and more support for Palestine though obviously not to the level needed.

It's like being ok with Hitler because ~~MacArthur~~ Churchill hated Indians.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

And less support for Israel and more support for Palestine though obviously not to the level needed.

You don't know that. Regardless, I guess this all could have been avoided had Harris not alienated her own constituency by playing a game of Who's the bigger narcissist.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

Centrists will never understand this.

They also cannot understand that someone can say something centrists want is a losing issue and still be willing to vote for a centrist candidate, while being able to notice that they're gonna lose if they keep it up.

Also explains the reaction to Mamdani. Centrists didn't get the sex pest they wanted and went from "blue no matter who" to "party unity my ass" immediately. No progressive legislators badmouthed harris like gillibrand did with her disgusting Islamophobic attacks against Mamdani.

Centrists think everyone is like they are, inasmuch as they don't believe at all in their stated principles and will vote third party if they don't get their very first choice. We saw this in 2008 as well when they formed a fucking PAC to elect mccain because they didn't want to vote for a black man. For all the blame they throw at the left for 2016 and 2024, progressives never formed a PAC to elect trump. But if Sanders had won the nomination in 2016 or 2020, I have no doubt that we would have seen centrists campaigning for trump like we saw them campaigning for cuomo and mccain.

[–] Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

If they can adopt and make bipartisan the entirety of Trump Term 1 and support genocide without any electoral liability, what will you not approve of? This means that any opposition to literal genocide or authoritarianism is only justified if it is the Red team doing it. If Democrats do it, they are definitionally the lesser evil, so they should be supported in genocide since Republicans also would do it.

Also, kicker, Trump forced Israel into two ceasefires that reduced the killing, despite it not actually being a stop to the genocide since Israel is still restricting aid and killing at a slower pace. But that literally means Trump is less genocidal on that one issue that Biden/Harris. The bar is on the floor and they still fail!

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Well, Schumer and Jeffries are refusing to reduce ICE funding or oppose them, so we are still in the point that the Dems support everything but would like a bit more politeness and layers of obfuscation, rather than ICE not killing people in the streets and being the American Gestapo.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

They're half right. ICE is A secret police force, not an army.

[–] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago

There was also National Guard troops that were deployed across major cities...

[–] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago

Staffed mostly by ex-military. Funded by the federal budget like the military. Use military grade weapons and armor. Move in packs like their army training.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They're funded like an army.

And growing in numbers.

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[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 13 hours ago (7 children)

Admin of db0: "yeah, well Kamala would have double sent the army"

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