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[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

I don't understand why people can't understand that multiple things can be true.

Someone can have voted for Harris, donated to her campaign, preferred her to be president, felt that personally their own lives would have been better if Harris were president, and also be disgusted that Harris is pro-genocide.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

Centrists will never understand this.

They also cannot understand that someone can say something centrists want is a losing issue and still be willing to vote for a centrist candidate, while being able to notice that they're gonna lose if they keep it up.

Also explains the reaction to Mamdani. Centrists didn't get the sex pest they wanted and went from "blue no matter who" to "party unity my ass" immediately. No progressive legislators badmouthed harris like gillibrand did with her disgusting Islamophobic attacks against Mamdani.

Centrists think everyone is like they are, inasmuch as they don't believe at all in their stated principles and will vote third party if they don't get their very first choice. We saw this in 2008 as well when they formed a fucking PAC to elect mccain because they didn't want to vote for a black man. For all the blame they throw at the left for 2016 and 2024, progressives never formed a PAC to elect trump. But if Sanders had won the nomination in 2016 or 2020, I have no doubt that we would have seen centrists campaigning for trump like we saw them campaigning for cuomo and mccain.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

probably the part where she doesn't care that people are disgusted by her being pro-genocide

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

There would be no ice raids like this all over the country. No tarrifs. No allies lost due to insults and threats. No threats against lgbtq+, no concentration camps for immigrants(or no newer ones from bidens term. No loss of Nato. No that of nuclear proliferation. Stronger Ukraine. And less support for Israel and more support for Palestine though obviously not to the level needed.

It's like being ok with Hitler because ~~MacArthur~~ Churchill hated Indians.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

Greenland wouldn't even be in the fucking news. Canada would still consider us an ally. Gaza wouldn't be cut up by Kushner.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

And less support for Israel and more support for Palestine though obviously not to the level needed.

You don't know that. Regardless, I guess this all could have been avoided had Harris not alienated her own constituency by playing a game of Who's the bigger narcissist.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

Yeah, it was pretty simple for anyone capable of making decisions without deferring entirely to their feelings.

The stats prove Dems are better for our economy (and rights). We were coming off a legislatively successful Democrat presidency. Serious strides were made for the working class and we were recovering from the pandemic better than any other 1st world nation. The Dem candidate was a career prosecutor with a doctorate in law.

On the other hand we had the side that the stats show are awful for our economy (and war). The candidate was an already failed president with two impeachments and an insurrection under his belt. With a doctorate in nothing but dipshittery.

You have to be pretty stupid to NOT go with option 1, including by staying home or voting for a 3rd party candidate with absolutely ZERO possibility of winning. Regardless of whether you're mad that they're maintining an allegiance with a foreign nation you aren't exactly happy with. Foreign affairs aren't exactly simple. Especially with an ally you want to keep for their strategic geopolitical position.

But, as we've learned, most Americans prefer to think with their feelings instead of their intellect. And now gestures broadly.

I just don't see how things are going to get better with a nation full of people this dumb.

[–] Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

If they can adopt and make bipartisan the entirety of Trump Term 1 and support genocide without any electoral liability, what will you not approve of? This means that any opposition to literal genocide or authoritarianism is only justified if it is the Red team doing it. If Democrats do it, they are definitionally the lesser evil, so they should be supported in genocide since Republicans also would do it.

Also, kicker, Trump forced Israel into two ceasefires that reduced the killing, despite it not actually being a stop to the genocide since Israel is still restricting aid and killing at a slower pace. But that literally means Trump is less genocidal on that one issue that Biden/Harris. The bar is on the floor and they still fail!

[–] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 hours ago

So clearly you prefer what is happening now. This is what you wanted? Americans gunned down in the streets by federal occupiers? A president literally invading foreign countries for the expressed purpose of taking their oil? Federal agencies adopting Nazi and white nationalist slogans? I swear to fucking Christ, leftists hate anything that they don't think is left enough and it will lead to the world burning down. You have to compromise. You CANNOT have everything you want in this life. It will NEVER be perfect. And if we don't accept that fact and work with what we are given, it will be taken away from us entirely.

I don't want to see genocide happen either. But we really ought to fix our own shit before we try to fix the rest of the world. America is not special. It should not be our job to police the world like we had in the past. Remove the log in your own eye and all that jazz. Be mad, but compromise. Otherwise we will be nothing at all.