Same with police brutality.
Oh god, I really wish we had the Cyborg Cop from "Ultra Murderous Cyborg Cop 3000 - Extrajudical Massacre" dealing with thiefs!
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Dudes watching Robocop be like: "fucking Murphy, stifling innovation in the name of some delusional woke agenda!!"
exhibit 1 : American Psycho
Exhibit 2: Fight Club
Exhibit 3: Walter White
exhibit 4: The Boys
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Please, instead of more satirising toxic masculinity, can we have some more depictions of positive masculinity in lead roles like Aragorn from LotR?
Also, please feel free to list some good examples of positive masculinity in replies below because I and others I know could benefit from seeing more of that.
I'm not sure if anyone else said, but Uncle Iroh from Avatar the last airbender.
One of the best farther figures in media. His treatment of Zuko; as Zouk is finding out who he is and what he stands for. Truly inspiring role model stuff.
Also Bandit Healer 👍
I love that Aaragorn is kind of unanimously agreed on as one of the best examples of positive masculinity.
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Ron Swanson, and to a greater point Nick Offerman.
New movie Superman.
I feel like it falls to the same problem. They will see Ron Swanson, a tridimensional complex character and just flat it to the "cool macho" stuff and ignore his character growth and confuse aspects that are flaws but maybe charming or colorful to actual qualities.
It’s an issue with being able to identify and assimilate positive traits, I think. Ron is a stoic and self-disciplined which is often read as emotionally repressed unnecessarily strict dad energy. Instead, it should be read as introspection, strong personal accountability, and authenticity and intentionality of thought and action. Ron also isn’t a reactive persona; when something challenges his beliefs, he chops down a tree while he mulls over the idea and decides how he wants to move on from the experience. Without the nuance, it just looks like a dude gets mad and does man stuff with an axe until he cools off.
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Also, please feel free to list some good examples of positive masculinity
Star Trek is kinda cheating, but Picard and Riker. Although some of Riker's behaviour could be seen as "use and abuse of power for sex" in some scenarios, like hitting on people at 10 forward while serving as first officer in the ship they are in.
I still love the scene where for some reason Worf and Riker are in 10 forward, Riker is hitting on ... someone and Worf says he wants to talk to that person. Riker's reaction is basically "Oh shit, you wanted to get with her? All good my man, I'll get out the way, you know me, dime's a dozen, I fuck everyone".
EDIT : I really like the way Star trek has lots of different examples on leadership styles and how there's multiple ways of being a good leader. Even Jellico, although his way of handling a transition sucks.
Riker and Troi were in a big deal relationship before the events of TNG, and there's a scene later in the show where they are talking about their respective relationships and giving each other advice and I find that quite wholesome. It's not always easy or even possible to break up with someone and remain in contact, let alone friends, but it can happen under the right circumstances, and it's nice to see a depiction of a breakup that doesn't have to turn into enmity.
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Many Robin Williams' characters (e.g., Dead Poets Society, Good Will Hunting, Awakenings...).
It depends on the version, but often, Gomez Addams from The Addams Family.
Waymond Wang in Everything Everywhere All at Once.
From Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts, Hagrid and Newt Scamander, respectively.
Good-hearted heroes such as Captain America, Colossus, etc. The new Superman, probably. The Doctor from Dr. Who. Big etcetera.
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Ted Lasso
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In this household, Shit Cumdick is an Italian American hero, END OF STORY!
Actually, come to think of it, Tony Soprano is a great example of this. The show is literally about him going to therapy because he can’t face the fact that he’s a toxic POS and he’s still lionized by a ton of people. The guy cheats on his wife on the regular, murders his own supposed friends, and is constantly just doing all manner of shithead stuff, but the morons still love him.
This is how I feel about Breaking Bad. At first, you feel kind of bad for Walt and his situation, but that should quickly chang especially as the seasons go on and he reveals how much more of a piece of shit he really is. But I also distinctly remember as people watched the show in real-time how fans would idolize Walt. Really baffled me at the time.
This one I can actually kind of understand because the shift is gradual. Like, if you started watching in season 3, it would be quite obvious that he's a piece of shit, but if you start in season 1, the viewer establishes that he's a sympathetic character and it's hard to really identify a firm moment when he goes from being sympathetic to villain. It's like the old 'boiling water with a frog in it' analogy... The viewer (at least it was true for me) tries to justify his increasingly bad actions because he's been established as a "good guy" in the beginning until at some point they just have to step back and think, "Wow... he's actually an awful person." Then you watch the rest with a re-framed perspective.
I mean, that was the entire premise of the show, a good person who breaks bad. You are supposed to like him, and supposed to have complicated feelings about his character arc as he devolves deeper and deeper into the dark side. Of course there will be moments during the arc when you still root for him as the badass but that should all be gone by the end, when he’s just a bad guy who got a deserved end.
Eehhhhhh, yes and no. Part of why BB is so good is that Walt is believably bad. Part of it is the slow shift to full wannabe druglord, but another huge part of it is that he is a very flawed person, and shows it very quickly.
Within the first episode, he's very dismissive of Jesse and obviously avoidant with his wife. He lies about things all the time. He demeans Jesse a lot. He quickly demonstrates an inflated ego. His jealousy over the chemical company is very obvious from the start. I'm sure I could remember more.
He's a very not so good person even before all the stuff happens that pushes him further. Sure, he tries to be nice, but so do most bad people. The ones who don't try to be nice end up in trouble or dead.
He also doesn't go full bad in actuality. Sure, he pretends to, and still ends up doing all sorts of bad stuff, but he still wants to give the money to his family, doesn't like killing people/etc.
Basically all of that is to say... Walt's shift in BB is so believable because it's actually not that big of a character shift. Really, the story is a great example of why it's wise to not have a bunch of little bad character traits. lol Sure most bad people aren't going to become drug lords, but most people don't have Saul Goodman as their lawyer getting them off of every little thing.
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David Chase has talked about how it frustrated him that people were rooting for Tony like he was the hero, so he kept making him do more fucked up shit. Americans aren’t good at processing anti-heroes. Part of the problem might be that they’re all played by charismatic actors, whereas the megalomaniacs you meet in real life are just assholes.
Not quite the same, but The Matrix and so-called "red-pilled" Republicans make me laugh every time for this reason. The Wachowski sisters have flat out and openly said that The Matrix is a transgender story about the prison of toxic masculinity and escaping it by transitioning. The red pill is Premarin, an estrogen pill from the 90s, and the blue pill is a testosterone steroid (I forget which one), both of which were produced in those exact colors. So every time a conservative talks about being "red-pilled," they're actually talking about taking estrogen.
Now the E pills are blue, thus ruining the metaphor, another crime big pharma must answer for.
Women and the folk who don't categorize themselves will never understand the deep masculane urge of self destruction. Of going down in a "blaze of glory" even if you're ultimately wrong.
The stereotype of masculinity was always a meme that drove men to destruction. The tribal warriors and knights of ye olde times idealized this type of crap too. It's been a part of humanity ever since writing was invented, probably longer. It's a strange part of being human.
i've never understood this sort of masculinity, but i also have people who need me to be alive to continue living, and i assume that changes the math (transmasc, since i figure people will wonder, and i'm fine with this being the one thing where i'm not a real man lol)
It’s super common with young men, those who don’t have someone to “live for” but plenty of people to “die for”. No dependents, but lots of people they depend upon.
The greatest sin a man can do, in many societies, is to be an immediate burden, to take in more resources than they provide. To be a momentary net drain in material terms. Of course the pressure completely ignores emotional impact ether positive or negative, and generally discredits the material value of traditionally “feminine” work.
That’s kind of the core of a lot of misogyny and patriarchy, emotions and care are not the responsibility of men, their only responsibility is material. How others might feel when they are gone doesn’t matter, the chance to benefit them by dying, even if slim, trumps any emotional impact of them not being around, or any potential long term material benefit of them still being around.
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My younger brother loves Tyler Durden quotes. One in particular "It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."
I'm not sure why that one jumps out at him, dude makes more money than me. I do want to say though that hes genuinely a good person in most ways, hes completely surrounded by frothing at the mouth rightwingers but maintains that he is a centrist. And he says stuff that implies left wing and anarchist beliefs but constantly defends rightwing figures when I shit talk them around him. Most notably Joe Rogan.
Hes just badly propagandized and would end up being socially isolated if he started actually identifying as left wing because all of his friends would stop talking to him. And he refuses to move and make new friends. Its depressing.
Sounds like it will only be after he’s lost everything (his friends) that he will be able to do anything (have compassion for others and stop listening to Rogan).
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Oof the world is full of good examples for this. Like the Torment Nexus, in every genre. South Park is another one - there used to be real Cartman fans. Also some thought it was a children's TV show.
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Friendship with Tim Robinson is the best modern satire on this topic because it actually makes the people who don't get it deeply uncomfortable instead.
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