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At least 31 states and the District of Columbia restrict cell phones in schools

New York City teachers say the state’s recently implemented cell phone ban in schools has showed that numerous students no longer know how to tell time on an old-fashioned clock.

“That's a major skill that they're not used to at all,” Tiana Millen, an assistant principal at Cardozo High School in Queens, told Gothamist of what she’s noticed after the ban, which went into effect in September.

Students in the city’s school system are meant to learn basic time-telling skills in the first and second grade, according to officials, though it appears children have fallen out of practice doing so in an increasingly digital world.

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[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The morons here are the teachers.

People don't know what they dont know and haven't been taught. We have been relying on this idea that each next generation just has what the previous generation knows. It isn't a practice thing it is a we haven't prepared the new for what the world has to offer.

We do this everywhere and blame the uneducated and point and laugh. Fuck that.
I can't wait for the students to learn and be proud when they do.

[–] stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As someone who is in a relevant field (higher ed), the teachers are doing what they can.

This past year I've had college students ask about the time during an exam because they can't read the analog clock projected on the wall. If you can make it to 20 years old without realizing you're missing a critical skill and learning it yourself, that's also on you.

We're also seeing a lack of critical thinking skills and ability to retain information. People don't remember things that were taught 1-2 semesters ago. Not that they need "a refresher", but completely forget core concepts (such as forgetting what CPU caches are in an advanced architecture course). Then there's tons of people who can recite every definition on an exam, but not take a step further to come to a conclusion on a problem. (Git revert reverts checked files, so if I run the command after committing a test file the file is gone and no test is executed).

There is something wrong with students today. And I'm saying that as someone who just finished my undergrad during COVID. But the institutions are adapting by teaching things with less depth, which then dumbs down further education because they now have to re-cover everything from scratch...

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 1 points 21 hours ago

If you can make it to 20 years old without realizing you're missing a critical skill and learning it yourself, that's also on you.

I think the difficulty here is judging what is and isn't critical. How would they know, if they never have to use it otherwise, that reading analog clocks is critical?

We're also seeing a lack of critical thinking skills and ability to retain information.

But the institutions are adapting by teaching things with less depth, which then dumbs down further education because they now have to re-cover everything from scratch.

I think this issue would have to be tackled early on, but I'm not sure how. At some age, you probably could explain to the students why it's important, but I tend to overestimate the comprehension of younger students in particular, and just understanding the value doesn't make for a good training in doing so either.

[–] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago

If only there was a place they could learn that.

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

"Old clocks"?

Those are just clocks

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago
[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

When I grew up we looked at the height of the pile in the hourglass and we liked it! The rich kids all had sundial wristwatches though.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Uh... No. The teachers are not stunned. They teach those kids every day. It's you the reader who may or may not be surprised.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

LOL, why are they stunned to learn this?

[–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

There's an interesting technology connections video on how analog clocks can be easier to parse how "far" through the hour/day you are with just a quick glance. Hand almost at the top means the hours almost up, for instance.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

do we need a video essay to know that a clock display that is basically just progress bars is a good way to tell progress in that progress bar?

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe not but technology connections is great.

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[–] Jaybird@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Want to be really stunned? Like, of your feet stunned?

Ask them which country is the best country on earth.

You'll be floored...

[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 120 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I've been hearing this since I was a kid, though back then they just blamed the use of digital clocks instead of phones.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 38 points 2 days ago (4 children)

"These newfangled analog clocks with hands are killing the ability of people to understand clock bells. Kids these days."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Striking_clock

A striking clock is a clock that sounds the hours audibly on a bell, gong, or other audible device. In 12-hour striking, used most commonly in striking clocks today, the clock strikes once at 1:00 am, twice at 2:00 am, continuing in this way up to twelve times at 12:00 mid-day, then starts again, striking once at 1:00 pm, twice at 2:00 pm, and the pattern continues up to twelve times at 12:00 midnight.

The striking feature of clocks was originally more important than their clock faces; the earliest clocks struck the hours, but had no dials to enable the time to be read.[1] The development of mechanical clocks in 12th century Europe was motivated by the need to ring bells upon the canonical hours to call the community to prayer. The earliest known mechanical clocks were large striking clocks installed in towers in monasteries or public squares, so that their bells could be heard far away.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

What a dumb take by the teachers. So what if they can't read some old tech - just teach them? Are the students also incredibly dumb so they can't learn it in 10 minutes? Seems like that would be bigger issue here.

[–] tym@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This thread hurts my soul.. it's not the actual subject but the quickness with which apparently everyone under 40 shrugs and says 'fuck it'.. if this is too much, I can only imagine how people treat subjects like informed voting.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Now you know how a clay tablet scribe felt when that new-fangled papyrus showed up in the high-schools.

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[–] guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can only imagine how people treat subjects like informed voting.

No need to imagine, look at the people elected to run the United States.

That's how people treat subjects like informed voting.

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 88 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (16 children)

Next they’ll be surprised to find that they don’t know long division, cursive writing or 6502 assembly language

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Exactly. I’m wondering how many of those teachers could use a slide rule or even an abacus. We’re far enough along now that I bet the majority of teachers would also be lost when confronted with a log table or a topo map and a compass.

Astrolabe and sextant? They’d be totally lost.

I bet most teachers don’t know how to saddle a horse, card and spin wool and flax by hand, or even use a clutch on a manual transmission vehicle, either.

[edit] Ooh… thought of another one! I bet none of the children know how to use a rotary phone either. (In fact, since POTS has been fully DTMF for over 20 years, I doubt a dial phone would actually function today without a converter).

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (5 children)

'Old clocks'? You mean... analog clocks? The ones in practically every household outside of America?

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[–] froh42@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Heh, I'm early Gen X bordering on boomer and as a kid I found it a lot harder to read the time on an analog clock as opposed to the Casio digital wristwatch I had.

Of course I could "decode" the clock, but it was not intuitive.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I was frustrated that I couldn’t quickly and accurately read the time - Ie: it’s 1:23 rn, if I was looking at an analog clock, depending on the activity, I’d round either up or down. I found the minutes too small to read, and 90% of the time rounding was good enough.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It literally is a harder format. One is literally just numbers and another is a chart. Anyone can read text but everyone needs to learn how to read a chart at least once.

[–] super_user_do@feddit.it 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I am 20 and I still remember newspapers and TV talking about "teenagers these days can't read clocks" since I can remember. it seems nobody has ever known 

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You make it sound like you’re old 😂

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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm 59 and all the teenagers I knew could read clocks (both kinds) just fine, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

“Numerous students”

Gotta love that completely nebulous and undefined number. It also sounds like a non-zero number simply have to be instructed to read the clock in order to understand it. Could be like 20 kids out of a school of 400. Oh noes the education system has completely failed!

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 18 points 2 days ago

They actually gave us a number but gave it to us on a abacus and now we can't comprehend it.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (8 children)

It's not that stunning, they didn't grow up with them and you don't really see them in public these days.

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[–] msmc101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 2 days ago

i hate this shit, ofc they don't know, who was planning to teach them? certainly not the fucking schools imposing this shit.

[–] tal@olio.cafe 38 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Others have tried to evade the spirit of the ban, using other digital devices sich as older iPods, or bringing walkie-talkies to school.

I'm not an advocate of smartphone bans, but necessity is the mother of invention, and I suppose that if some kids start cobbling together packet radio solutions to talk with their friends and reach the Internet, it'll probably be an educational experience.

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[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 days ago

It’s almost like you gotta teach people how to do things, that people aren’t just inherently born with all the knowledge to survive. Crazy I know.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (6 children)

It takes just a few minutes to learn how to read an analog clock. Once you've got the idea, you'll be slow deciphering the time at first, but once you start doing it, very quickly you'll be reading it immediately with just a glance.

I see analog clocks all over the place, especially waiting rooms and public buildings, and I have a very nice pretty one in my house. I think the people saying they're not being used anymore just aren't noticing them, they're just background scenery to them and don't enter their consciousness.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I think the people saying they’re not being used anymore just aren’t noticing them

Probably too busy getting shrimp neck and not looking up, LOL.

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[–] Cnote5@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Some might call this a "teachable moment ", no?

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[–] TerdFerguson@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I just noticed that I don't have any analog clocks in my house. But I think I would like one.

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