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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] dariusj18@lemmy.world 160 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (13 children)

Yeah, at impulse they would still want the deflector shields, but at warp they can only remain faster than light due to power creating the warp bubble/field. Like a rubber band, you need to constantly exert force to repell the elastic forces.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

So what you're saying is, we need more rubber bands

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[–] cholesterol@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Like a rubber band

A true Trekkie

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[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 116 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Pretty sure the warp drives need continuous power to contract space in front of the ship and expand it behind the ship to allow faster than light travel

The ship isn't actually moving during faster than light travel, it just bends space around it

They can only move at impulse speed without engine output due to their being no friction and gravity in space

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 30 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Even when the impulse drives are down, the ship always just stops 🤷‍♂️

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

My favorite bit is how when life support goes offline, it's like they're running out of oxygen within seconds. I once saw the math referencing the actual canon dimensions of the Enterprise D and its canon crew complement. It's comically large for the number of people in it. You could shut off all the CO2 scrubbers in a space that cavernous, and it would be months before the crew began noticing any ill effects. The Enterprises are god-damn ginormous.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 points 3 weeks ago

The Enterprises are god-damn ginormous.

It's all those bowling alleys and home theatres they installed in the lower decks.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's the Vulcans. They actually respirate at 1000x the rate of humans. It's how they remain emotionless. They are too focused on breathing to get angry. The massive compression necessary to breathe that much is actually how they are constantly so full of hot air. They don't actually need to breathe that much to survive, but they are just too proud to give it up even in an emergency situation. It's all a weird power play. 🖖

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Did you steal this from Dr mccoy's Facebook?

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Oh I'm sorry, is a ship's head medical officer with decades of experience treating a dozen or more species of crewmen and guests not a good enough source for you? Don't let those pointy eared bastards fool you. They're devious.

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[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I recently saw a DS9 episode where O'Brien said life support is down and it's going to be a problem in a day or sth, was pleasantly surprised at that.

Might still not be accurate, but at least it was not a "oh shit we'll die now" kind of thing.

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[–] 18107@aussie.zone 11 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I think they might actually be in fluidic space and just really unobservant.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"It's like flying through soup, sir!"

"Mmm... Soup... 🤤"

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[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 10 points 3 weeks ago

Except when they go into orbit and then things work as expected.

[–] BB84@mander.xyz 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

There is definitely gravity in space! It just doesn't feel that way because there's no ground so you're mostly in free fall which to you is indistinguishable from being in no gravity. (fun fact: this indistinguishability is actually the crux of General Relativity!)

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[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 69 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

nah, thats movement relative to space time, warp suggests bending said space time in order to, relative to your destination, move faster than light, while essentially staying motionless in spacetime.

In this paradigm inertia is very much not a thing

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you. I read this thinking “yeah this is not simple Newtonian motion”.

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[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 14 points 3 weeks ago

This, the power is needed to maintain the subspace bubble, being thrown from said bubble from losing power has been shown to be dangerous. Maybe you just drop out of warp, maybe you drop out too close to something and have no control.

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 67 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not quite. The warp drive doesn't actually provide any thrust, its purpose is to create the warp bubble and then "squish" the space in front of the starship.

Thus the "warp engines" do actually need to get constantly fed energy in order to work. Feed more energy equals get more squish equals go faster.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It doesn't the ship through the universe, but the universe around it!

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 59 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

In every ST series, they only ever say that in warp. And nobody has no idea how warp works.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I just know if you go faster than Warp 9 you're fucked

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 29 points 3 weeks ago (22 children)

Warp 10. The Enterprise C regularly surpassed 9.5.

[–] teft@piefed.social 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The D. We only saw The C once. That was the ship Tasha went to with Shooter McGavin.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago

IIRC the in universe reason for the E’s long ass nacelles was to allow it to achieve 9.95. I am pretty sure I remember part of the expanded universe going into experimental refits of the USS Sovereign that allowed it to hit 9.995.

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[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

But for some reason they keep dropping out of orbit around planets.

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[–] presoak@lazysoci.al 41 points 3 weeks ago

It's a different kind of space. They're going faster than light.

[–] MattW03@lemmy.ca 40 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It depends. Impulse engine? Sure. Warp? Nope. Also, you need shielding.

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[–] Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com 36 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Unrelated but in the expanse they really nailed those aspects. When there's a pursuit, it's always an acceleration pursuit, which is limited by how much G the characters can tolerate, and for how long.

The only magic tech they introduce is a super efficient fusion core engine, but they use it to improve realism rather than destroy it. It's great.

[–] CouldntCareBear@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

And they accelerate through the first 50% of a journey, flip, and decelerate the remaining 50%. I can't name another sci-fi tackle space journeys in a realistic way like that. Everything else just treats it like air travel - pushing your way through something with drag.

[–] Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

My favorite touch is how the rooms are stacked vertically in the ships so the gravity is provided by the acceleration. Also how pouring drinks always happens differently depending on the gravity and spin off the body they're on. Man I love this show!

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[–] white_nrdy@programming.dev 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm on the second Expanse book and I am fucking loving it. I absolutely love hard Sci-Fi. I think The Expanse is taking the cake for my favorite Sci-Fi book series. Before this is was The Three Body Problem series. I specifically love Death's End

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[–] teft@piefed.social 29 points 3 weeks ago

Scotty knows that conservation of momentum actually doesn't happen over long distances in an expanding universe. Eventually you'll stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcjdwSY2AzM

But also you need a warp drive to maintain warp. As soon as you turn it off or damage the nacelles you're kicked out of the warp bubble. This happened in Into Darkness.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

For the curious, OA has a pretty extensive, physically plausible theoretical writeups on warp bubbles:

https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/493f29cc472f0

They’re the STL kind, but still, they do seem to require power.

AFIAIK the impulse drives are sub relativistic in Star Trek, right? Or maybe they aren’t, but that seems.

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[–] Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

This is something that always bothered me when watching some sci-fi space shows. A space walk occurs, but there is only so much thrust that can be used. Once the thrust stops, the person stops.

Thats.....not how vacuums work.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What bothers me more is the crappy placement of these dialog bubbles. The order of them makes you read Kirk's dialog first.

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[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

To suspend disbelief, when any non-hard sci-fi show says "speed" I subconsciously translate it to "acceleration." If the ship they're chasing (or being chased by) is pushing their engines to the max then the enterprise also needs to push its engines to the max to match the speed. If they just free-float at constant velocity then they'll fall behind very quickly.

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[–] Draegur@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Another consideration outside of the warp field maintenance is how incredibly destructive a collision with even nanograms of mass can be at relativistic velocities and shielding against those takes a lot of power itself

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[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe it has something to do with active debris absorption 🤔

[–] kbal@fedia.io 8 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

I am insufficiently versed in Star Trek to know whether there's a known reason why that isn't true at warp speed.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not an expert, but I believe warp speed is theoretically achieved by warping two points in space so they're closer together, then traversing them, and releasing the warp (which allows FTL travel). So you would definitely need continuous power to maintain that.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

have they reverse the polarity of the shields?

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