That explains why my 2017 Dell XPS 13 9360 with an 8th gen i7 never went to sleep properly. Originally it would just keep running the fans and the battery would drain. Then after a while it seemed to start sleeping but never turned on again so you'd have to reboot anyway. In the end I wiped Windows 11 off it and installed OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. Now shutting the lid works just fine.

I also have an XPS 13 9310 with an 11th gen i7 and Windows 11, and if I close the lid it seems to sleep but sometimes I come back to a completely dead battery.

I don't really understand the point of Modern Standby. Who wants the laptop to do things when it's closed and possibly in a backpack with no ventilation? That's when we want it not to do things.

To make it worse, newer Intel CPUs can't even enter S3 state.

Bad behavior in Windows article up on the Fediverse for four hours and no one telling us how their Linux laptop doesn't have this problem?

My Linux laptop doesn't have this problem 😁.

Sounds like it's a combo of bad Windows behavior and buggy implementations, but had to deliver the joke first.

The important part, for the lazy:

For Modern Standby to work properly, the device Windows is running on needs to support it. That includes hardware like network interfaces and USB, but also support from system firmware and device drivers. But Microsoft doesn’t seem to have any sort of certification process or runtime hardware check for Modern Standby compatibility.

Good luck if you can, on some new motherboards you cannot disable S0x in the BIOS and cannot enable S3 as it does not exist anymore.

You can only use this "S0 idle" which is like your cellphone sleeping, meaning everything runs and/or is somewhat disabled in background. Instead of the BIOS disabling things, it's the OS and the applications and drivers that have to take steps to go sleeping but it's way from perfect and takes power anyway.

Problem is with laptop. A laptop in S3 (suspend to RAM) can last a few days, a laptop in S0 idle will last a few hours.

It's so bad for Widnows handhelds, laptops and tablets I've resorted to re-enabling hybernation and using that instead.

Which I'm sure will be disabled as an option at some random point in time with no warning.

Sad that the computers can't get any rest :(((((

I feel like this is about tracking. As in microsoft want the PC to wake up and scan wifi networks to figure out where it is, so they can use this data for targeted ads they serve in the start menu and bing, etc.

Huh, is this also why my gaming PCs the last 5 or so years are absolutely dogshit at staying asleep? I've never come across the term even though I've spent too much time troubleshooting and identifying which peripheral woke the computer up. The most annoying thing is that there is a toggle for "allow wake event" in device manager but it seems to be a mild suggestion at best... For some devices like keyboard and mouse it's 50/50 if it does anything it seems. I've resorted to just locking and shutting the screen off...

Doesn’t this waste more power being connected rather than actually sleeping? With a laptop lid closed, there’s no screen to show notifications on. What’s the point of this?

Tell me why~!

This is one reason I have a "hibernate" shortcut on my desktop so I don't have to deal with the hassle of having to hunt for that button.

If you are curious, creating your own hibernate shortcut on windows is easy:

• Right click desktop
• Select new > shortcut
• Copy this into the shortcut: "C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe /h" obviously replace C:\Windows\ with the installation drive/folder on your machine.
• (Optional: Change the icon for the shortcut to a useful picture)
• Done

c'mon Microsoft, your PCs are eepy