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8 GB of RAM would be enough if every fucking application didn't use Electron.
Will they solder it?
Welp, glad the old laptop physically broke last night and I bought a new one with 16gb on Xmas sale today.
Also glad I built a new PC last year. Not gonna be upgrading anything for the foreseeable future the way things are looking.
I speak on behalf of all IT Support personnel everywhere when I say "fuck you"
"WHY IS IT SO SLOW?!?!?!"
For the price of 16GB?
More like for the price of 64GB.
For the price of 32GB, if you're lucky. Hopefully it's 8gb in a single stick so upgrading is cheaper, even if that means single channel ram speeds out of the box
What. My six year old cheapo Acer laptop that got my broke ass through college had 16gb ram. My raspberry pi has 8gb of ram.
Meanwhile my ThinkPad L440 will soon receive an upgrade to 16 GB of RAM. (I wonder if I can get a CPU upgrade to a Core i7)
Guys this is good news, maybe google and mozilla will figure it out and stop making their applications the biggest ram hogs in human history, taking more ram to render a few documents than it takes to render a AAA game. Or at least stop benchmarking a browser with 1 page open and saying look, 1 page only takes a gig of ram and most users, at least in our imagination, only have 1 page open.
Jk
It's the web as it exists now. It can't be fixed gradually, or at least that's harder than to design from scratch a replacement with same abilities, but fewer levels of abstraction, less bloat, making a client application in reasonable time being possible. Probably with architecture and semantics centered around how social networks and messengers work, not just hypertext. Visiting a webpage and reading a group chat are different ideas, the latter doesn't imply connecting to one specific location. Again, that's something that was understood since Usenet. Just no public system like Usenet, but not morally obsolete, emerged to be popular.
Just go back to “native” apps and not all this web tech bloated crap.
This is the world in which we live. Firefox and google are the only folks who can fix it. Whether it's killing tabs more aggressively or something else, they have the power in their hands. They just don't want to (documented, in writing).
better start removing AI from Windows then... holy fucj my 16gb is barely holding up with windows11 that in forced to use on my work PC. slow as BALLS, it's just raping the entire system performance constantly
...do we really need to use the word "raping" to talk about PC performance or can we agree that there are a hundred other words that fit better in that spot?
Company computers often come with pre-installed spyware which is notoriously RAM hungry. My company laptop immediately after boot uses nearly a full 16gb before you open any programs. Luckily our IT department realizes this and only allows us to purchase machines with 32GB and up. They're probably not happy with the current prices, but being a F500 company they can afford it...
I wonder what's going to happen to the electron frontends if machines are bottlenecked by ram so bad. Wasn't facebook just planning to switch whatsapp's frontend to webview as well? And win11's desktop is electron too. Everyone was acting like ram is unlimited.
Don't worry, you'll just need to subscribe to My Windows Copilot Cloud+ to get access to a virtual PC with plenty of RAM from anywhere! It'll be powerful enough you'll barely notice us logging all your actions and blocking anything we don't like.
I have win11 on a work surface laptop pro with 16gb and I'm consistently at 15+GB used. This is corporate bloat. How do I know? I have a personal surface pro 6 with win11 and 16gb and it runs like a breeze.
Corporate bloat is such bullshit.
If there's anything corporate IT is good at it's bullshit and security theater. Can they stop corporate espionage? Of course not. Can they make it really annoying for employees to access data they need for their job: ✅. But at least they're "compliant" with some rules that aren't even particularly well-documented.
Security is all theatre. When NIST says make secure passwords and never change them but your fortune 500 infosec policy tells you to rotate your password every 30 days?
LOL
And those companies' policies cascade out because of the incestuous nature of company boards. Some dumbass who is C__ at one company and member of the board at another says you gotta do the same to be compliant and since it's all theater they comply rather than push back. Corporations are dumb.
tbf a lot of that crap is mandated by insurance compliance requirements
Being fair isn't in my quarterly OKRs
no, but it isn't necessarily the fault of whom you might think it is that there needs to be 2 or 3 other ram hogs installed
Oh the irony that I have 16 GB RAM on my old Lenovo
I... ok.
Am I an idiot, or... at least when it comes to system RAM...
Do you really need DDR5 RAM, instead of DDR4?
Like, say I have 32 GB or DDR4 vs 32GB of DDR5.
Beyond I guess crushing some benchmark software harder... what are the actual practical benefits of this?
For an average person?
What can I do with 32 gigs of DDR5 that I can't do with 32 gigs of DDR4? Or 16? Or 24?
Typically the CPU and motherboard are both tied to a specific generation of RAM, which is keyed and traced differently on the motherboard for DDR 4 vs 5.
For example the current AMD socket AM5 requires DDR 5. You’d have to go back to AM4 Ryzen 5000 series for DDR 4 support.
I mean... I know that...
But my question still stands.
Ceteris paribus, keep as much else the same, same GPU, similar CPU by benchmark scores... swap the mobo and the sys ram...
What do you actually gain by going from DDR4 to DDR5, in total, end-state capabilities?
DDR5 is faster.
What kinda stuff actually needs that being faster, actually benefits from it?
IGPs are very dependant on memory speed. Many uses gains from faster memory speed (but I can't give you one out of memory), but most games gains more from memory latency than raw speed (with some exception, like Stellaris).
Usually, if your app is CPU heavy, you'll gain from RAM speed.
It's just the fact that, at some point, if you want a faster computer, you're bound to have DDR5.
AMD 5000 is fast, but how does it compare to last gen? Is there a 5000 CPU that can get the same score as a high end 9000 CPU?
What if you have a homelab server to upgrade but find out you need more PCIe lanes?
Other than that, yeah, you don't need DDR5, but DDR4 is slowly going out of production and is also rising in price... so you're screwed either way.
Alright, alright, that just took two people explaining it for it to sink in for me.
Thanks, I got too hung up on the specifics and missed the bigger picture.
Why not just tell me to go fuck myself and skip the unsatisfying foreplay?
Large computing will exist solely in the cloud where you will pay a subscription for it. Can't have these grubbing consumers buy anything we elites don't get a monthly cut of.
I wish this was sarcasm.
This is not limiting mid-range laptops. This is making more low-range laptops. Just because you’re making more lower tiered laptops doesn’t mean the midrange adjusts as mid-range is based on specs/performance. This is basic taxonomy.
The average laptop produced by these 2 manufacturers will see a decrease in specs.
