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A friend is due for a gaming PC build. But he’s super pissed it needs to run windows 11. I told him just run something else. He said his job needs something that runs windows-only and on the odd occasions where he needs a desktop to do something he’s not buying a second computer just to run windows.

Dual booting exists but Microsoft likes to clobber boot loaders. So I reminded him he could just run windows 11 in a VM when he needs to, everything else in bare metal Linux.

He’s now sold on moving to Linux.

The question is where should he start? It used to be as simple as “if you aren’t sure, use Ubuntu.” But his use case kinda seems like what everyone has been crowing about using bazzite for.

I have zero experience with bazzite but the page does describe something built for his use case. There are 3 concerns I have though.

  1. Is it common enough that he can Google an answer?
  2. it’s an atomic distro, so classic Linux answers he might find online won’t always be applicable here.
  3. selinux, ugh.

What’s a good gamer Linux distro? He’s not super into tinkering. He just wants it to do the thing without Microsoft’s invasive bullshit.

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[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago
[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago

If not Bazzite, Nobara is an option. It is based on Fedora, but is not an atomic distro, and iirc, it replaces selinux with apparmor, but unless you're getting into development, docker/podman etc, selinux will never be an issue.

Nobara is maintained by Glorious Eggroll, who also maintains proton-ge. Is also comes with an iso with built-in nvidia drivers, and also comes with an HTPC iso.

I have been using it for a few years, now. The documentation is also well detailed. And anything that works on Fedora will work on Nobara.

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

I don't really follow what's going on between different distributions as Debian has been my workhorse for decades, but a few weeks ago out of curiosity I threw bazzite on a desktop which was left ower due to work changes and that hardware is now just for gaming. Installation was pretty much just next-next-next and it after boot there was a steam login window ready to go. Every game in my library so far has been just as flawless experience than with windows, if not even better. I don't have any the new AAA-titles and I'm not a fan of any online-multiplayers, so YMMV. For Epic I installed Heroic-launcher and (atleast games I've tested so far) everything works.

[–] buwho@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Garuda, Bazzite, Zorin, Pop OS...and get a seperate machine for work. Hell no, I'm not letting my employer on to my personal machine.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The employer should have a way for you to remote in. There is no reason for you to have a work machine at all anymore.

And I am not talking a VPN.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Don’t even get me started

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm throwing in my vote for CachyOS. Not because it's the easiest to use (though it isnt difficult imo) but because it works out of the box, then they have nice wiki to guide you through simple things (like using Lutris and Proton). It's also Arch based so there's the arch wiki to fall back on. I ran Windows for 35 years and just switched to Linux in like October, fwiw.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

maybe the distro you use? so that you could directly offer help.

if not, maybe just plain old debian?

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

I’m using fedora server right now and my daily driver is still a Mac at the moment. I’m still transitioning.

[–] Veraxis@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Side question: his job is asking him to run work programs on his personal machine? If they are not willing to provide a work laptop or if it is something that does not require powerful hardware to run, I feel like in that situation I would buy a burner laptop off ebay to run the work thing on.

That's just my personal preference, but I do not mix work and personal things on the same computer.

[–] osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 2 days ago

So I can address this from my experience, their mileage may vary: sometimes it's about saving yourself time. Say if your normal daily driver is a desktop for some reason, but you're on call to do a task. You can (in theory) do that task from your home PC or you can drive in to the office for (arbitrary round trip time) to do it 'properly'. Even when I used windows at home /and/ had a work laptop I still maintained a VM (an ersatz air gap) for work shit on my personal PC for convince sake.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

There's also the security concern. A workplace should not have an employee run work software on a machine that isn't bound by group policy.

[–] ashughes@feddit.uk 17 points 2 days ago

I don’t have a recommendation other than don’t recommend something to your friend for which you’re not willing to provide tech support.

[–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Just install Mint. Honestly, “gamer” Linux is a pretty silly concept. You can install Steam and Lutris on any distro which gets you access to basically all modern PC gaming. Even something as slow to embrace change as Debian has recent enough drivers and kernels available.

[–] melfie@lemy.lol 9 points 2 days ago

I have a mini PC for gaming and originally installed Mint, but switched to Bazzite to see if it would fix an issue with my XBox controllers cutting out. It didn’t, and I also didn’t notice any better performance in games. After coming to the conclusion I’d have to rebase to uninstall Steam (I only use Lutris), I decided immutable is cool, but I’ll stick with Mint.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 days ago

I would recommend installing Heroic Launcher too. It works good for GoG, Epic & Amazon games.

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[–] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Nobara, LinuxMint, Zorin, PopOS & Manjaro. Or MXLinux or Antix if the hardware is potato

[–] flightyhobler@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] shadshack@feddit.online 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Echoing what others have said, a "gaming distro" really isn't necessary. I have used Ubuntu for years on and off. When I switched my gaming PC to Linux earlier this year I went with Kubuntu, because it's just Ubuntu and I like KDE Plasma better than Gnome. I do feel like Ubuntu is one of the easiest to find support for when you're looking online.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

While I generally agree, the benefit of it being gaming focused means if he has to look something up any community or support he finds will already be familiar with exactly what he’s trying to accomplish. It will help the newbie when I’m not available to.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

CachyOS

Trust me it’s super easy and nice.

[–] aurorachrysalis@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

^This is the answer.

Mint still does not work well with Wayland from what I can tell, and if you need features like HDR, you're gonna have to stick to something that runs Wayland well.

While Bazzite seems fine, it is an atomic distro. If you were to try installing certain software natively, like another Firewall for instance, it might not work. And if you continue to layer such software, the update times can take longer.

Cachy(with KDE) seems very stable to me. You'll pretty much find every software through the repo. If not, you'll have to manually install flatpak yourself. Never had to do it myself though. But it shouldn't be a hassle, I think.

It has its own proton variant and they recommend that you disable Steam preshader caching and increase maximum shader cache size when you're using Proton-Cachy or GE.

[–] D1re_W0lf@piefed.world 5 points 2 days ago

My choice also. Specifically with KDE Plasma

[–] flightyhobler@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I wouldn't put my work system running inside my first Linux distro. This is a recipe for disaster.

[–] groet@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

With a tiny bit of offsec you can make pretty bulletproof setup.

Work only exists inside of a Win11 VM. It never touches the underlying system! All files associated with that VM (most importantly the virtual disk) live on a separate partition, or better separate drive. That partition is not mounted in fstab. So under normal circumstances it should never be mounted. So any fuck up they do to their Linux system will leave that partition untouched. If worst comes to worst that can boot a live iso from USB and run their work VM from there.

I would trust that setup infinitely more than having windows as a base system.

[–] sneaky@r.nf 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I came here to say this also. First bad update and then both would be broken and pretty stressful for your friend...

Pile in if I'm wrong, but I dual boot win11 and linux it works fine. The only condition is it has to be separate physical disk. I wasn't able to use the same hard drive with just partitions had to be completely different drives.

[–] groet@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

Windows will break your bootloader in a few updates time. It will literally check all drives in your PC and put a windows bootloader on it, overwriting any others that are already there.

[–] rustinmyeye@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Arch or Debian. Depends on their personality and use case. I prefer Arch, but have no problems with recommending Debian and use it on one machine myself.

Edit: after re reading I'd say Debian. Little more stability but it is more annoying if they ever do wana tinker more. OpenSuse is an honorable mention as well!

[–] flightyhobler@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Arch as a first distro? 🧐

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

He’s not going to want to tinker. This is a pc he wants to work like a console

[–] Peasley@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Fedora or Ubuntu. No need to overthink it. They are the two biggest distros in popularity by far (except Arch, which probably beats Fedora), so you have access to maximum mindshare and previous troubleshooting.

Including Arch, these three distros are among the most polished, stable, and well-documented. Arch takes quite a bit more effort, so a beginner without much time on their hands should start with Ubuntu or Fedora.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Avoid Ubuntu like a plague it's one of the least googleable distros there are. It suffers massively from poor documentation and out of date fourm posts. Not to mention gnome at this point has endless weird problems for new users.

Iv helped over 200 people over the last year change to Linux. Gnome has been the cause of almost every major problem with them.

Stick to kde, stick to fedora or arch, stay away from lts releases or anything with an older kernel.

There's a really good reason steam went with arch.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

I have felt this way about ubuntu since the beginning. It's always a mess.

I was surprised two years ago about how good Fedora got, while also being really up to date.

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[–] rmerc@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Mint (LMDE). It might actually be easier to use than windows. My dead dad could use it and he was a moron. I held out for quite a while to try out 'cooler' distros but yeah, Mint is what I'm telling anyone moving from windows to use now.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

My dead dad could use it and he was a moron.

I really was not prepared for that sentence 😅

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Anyone in these comments claiming there is a big difference between "gaming distros" and any other is flat wrong.

Any distro works. It's about the initial experience they want without having to fuss about changes. You can switch Desktop Environment on any distro easily, none of them offer massive gaming performance differences over the others. It's subjective. For a beginner, don't recommend immutable. That's pretty much it.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Any distro works.

Any non-LTS distro works*

Using a distro release based on a 2 year old kernel with brand new hardware is asking for a horrible experience. For gaming especially, you're also losing out on months/years of improvements to Mesa.

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[–] maj@piefed.social 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The Bazzite KDE version is a great option, as long as you install apps from the built-in Bazaar store, it’s hard to mess anything up, and it already includes most of the software you’ll need so it usually works well out of the box.

If your friend has to troubleshoot issues on bazzite, it’s better not to install extra system packages on top of the core OS (“layering”), because that can sometimes cause problems and make things harder to fix.

You can also set up a tool called Winboat, which lets you run Windows inside Bazzite; it integrates nicely and isn’t too difficult to configure.

Bazzite is the first recommendation if the apps your friend needs are available on Flathub. If they need more complex software that only comes as Debian (.deb) packages, Linux Mint is probably a better choice because installing non‑Flatpak apps there is much easier, although the trade‑off is that installing a lot of extra packages can potentially break the system if you are not careful. If they mostly stick to the Mint software store, it should stay stable and they are unlikely to run into problems.

[–] djdarren@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

+1 for Winboat. As long as you've got the RAM and CPU cores to spare, it's a really nice solution to the Windows software that you really can't replace. My PC has an 8core CPU and 16Gb RAM. Much less than that and it gets pretty taxing.

WinApps is more complete, in that you can right click on a file to open it in an installed Windows app, which isn't something you can (currently) do with Winboat, but WinApps is more of a bastard to set up.

[–] Admetus@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I have a specific use case for CachyOS but I see two categories:

  1. Bazzite, not intending to use the terminal much. Also less frequent updates which ought to be very stable. Atomic.
  2. CachyOS, using the terminal and frequent updates. Rolling, and good support base.

Both use flatpaks which will keep apps sandboxed. A lot of users don't seem to like snaps being pushed by Ubuntu so flatpak is the big choice.

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[–] v3ctors@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 days ago (14 children)

LMDE 7 and send it. Regular mint has Ubuntu nonsense baked in, lmde is basically the same end user experience and smooth Debian jazz underneath.

Like someone else said, steam, heroic.

I’d avoid any of the gamer distros.

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[–] Filetternavn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Honestly, my recommendation for new users who are into gaming is Bazzite. Just install everything through the software store and it just works. Well, everything that's available as a flatpak at least. Steam comes preinstalled, as do all the drivers (among some other various gaming-oriented things like kernel optimizations and Lutris), so it's basically just install and done. The software store, Bazaar, will find basically anything a normal user needs. The nice thing about atonic distros is that you generally don't need to do anything through the command line,as installs are perfectly consistent across all computers (so no random things breaking in the background without someone else noticing and either filing a bug report for you in the beta, or fixing the issue outright). After over a decade of Linux use, I've never found an easier distro. I honestly have switched to it as my main distro because I love Fedora, and the atomic features are nice (and Bazzite is just a little nicer for my use case than Kinoite).

When I set someone up with Bazzite, I just tell them to install everything through the software store, and I rarely get questions other than "how do I install this software that isn't available on Linux", which I usually meet with a recommendation for an alternative, or if it's really critical, I'll have them install through Bottles or something. I always mention the "no Adobe or Autodesk" caveot before they install, so I never really get questions about that except for "well, what would you recommend I use instead?"

As to answer your questions directly:

  1. It is very common, so you can find Bazzite specific answers,
  2. As far as I've used it (which is a couple years now) things never break, so finding solutions that work in other distros doesn't tend to apply for me (except for when I want to make custom scripts like when I bound a mouse button to hard mute and unmute my mic, though I just had to look up generic Pipewire stuff)
  3. Everything installs as a flatpak, so selinux is essentially completely unnoticed. I've never had a single issue with selinux and I'm a power user. I've used Fedora-based distros for many years and only ever encountered selinux issues on my server, and that was for low-level processes that aren't relevant to desktop use (for instance, setting up NUT to automatically power off all devices on my network during a power outage when the UPS battery is low)
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