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[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 132 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 32 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Unfortunately the saying refers to soft men like Trump et. al., not femboys.

God I wish we had a femboy president and cabinet... I'm not even attracted to them. I just know they'd be infinitely better than the fucking fascist cheeto et. al..

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

no its about femboys. read history

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago

can confirm I lived in the Roman empire 👍

[–] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You'd be surprised by the amount of nazi femboys there are...

[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Eh... I'm aware how insufferably 'bottom' many of them are. To want to be a nazi whilst being a type of person they would likely dislike is ... pretty strong bottom energy.

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[–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Those two aren't men, they're an enby and a trans woman.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yet they still make me hard. Curious

[–] JesusChristLover420@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)
[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

t'aint nothin wrong with it though

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[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 84 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

This whole thing never made much sense. It’s just a poorly thought out version of the passage of trauma, one that fails to account for systemization of classism, bigotry, and the like. If this were the case, things should swing wildly every 40 years, but that hasn’t been my observation.

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[–] UnGlasierteGurke@feddit.org 55 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Easy for you to say when you've got a prescription which ensures that for hours at a time.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

is that prescription dancing?

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 46 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Stupid men like oversimplified phrases that make themselves think they're better than others.

[–] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

are they even better than others, by their own logic? they make it sound like a natural cycle, where the hard/softness of people is a natural consequence of the times which made them. the times are just a natural consequence of the hardness of the people.

with this framework, if times are bad right now, that can't be some great moral failing, after all the people allegedly responsible, did not chose to make them so, and anyway, the times will get good again soon enough, ... and then go bad again. it might just suck to live through the hard times.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 5 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah. Gotta wonder what all their fuss is about.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 4 points 2 weeks ago

smart tech makes dumb people, dumb people make dumb tech, dumb tech makes smart people, smart people make smart tech.

... i like this oversimplification, and can contrive calling myself smart from it.

so i must be a stupid.

wise tech makes wise people, wise people make wise tech.

[–] halvar@lemy.lol 43 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

IS THAT A RAINBOW IN THEIR PFP? DID GRINDR GO WOKE???

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 8 points 2 weeks ago

Equal opportunity sodomy imposed.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 weeks ago

How shocking!

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Bad men good times make hard men. Good times make men hard make soft men. Soft good men make men man men.

Time good bad times. We need men men men.

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[–] halfdane@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ignoring for a moment that apparently women don't exist in that world, even the premise doesn't hold: Bad times don't make hard people, bad times make sick, malnourished, badly educated and/or desperate people, none of which is conductive to making the proposed following of the good times.

If any of that were true, the good times in the so called first world should've made their peoples so soft compared to the hard peoples that should've been created literally everywhere else that the last 300 years of war or so should've ended very differently.

It's a racist propaganda trope that harkens back to ancient Rome where senators decried the "soft" Roman lifestyle compared to the "hard" germanic tribes and has gathered connotations of blood-and-earth ("Blut und Boden", no idea how thats translated) and other unsavory shit in the meantime.

I like to call it the "Fremen Mirage" after the awesome blog collection of a historian I very much like: https://acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-fremen-mirage-part-i-war-at-the-dawn-of-civilization/

Props to grindr for judo-ing this pile of worms to a place the original poster presumably wouldn't have liked very much

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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 weeks ago

Most of what makes these "bad times", involves the existence of massive dickheads like Laurence Fox, who think that strength is the same as bigotry.

[–] joyjoy@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Why is GrinderUS named GrinderUK?

[–] toxicbubble@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

listen up libruls, i beat my entire family so they can be MANLY

my wife left and took the kids

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 4 points 2 weeks ago

That’s hard, man.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Reminder that Laurence Fox is a classist, racist, Covid-denying, bigoted, moron that even the majority of the British right wing ignore as too far gone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Fox#Personal_views

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[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

"GrindrUK" "@GrindrUS"

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Did anybody ever respond to him? I don't see anything highlighted so I don't think so

[–] asbestos@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Nothing yet, will keep you posted

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[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The whole cyclical thing is bullshit and has been for thousands of years. Good times make for a surplus in food and other products, which can feed a warrior caste to pillage more prosperity from the unfortunate.

Dr. Devereaux explores this myth in his series dubbed "The Fremen Mirage" (named such after the fictional people of Dune, both to provide an example of its "distilled" portrayal in fiction and to avoid linking it to any specific real culture he'd step on the toes of).


And we do need men. Men whose identity isn't defined by supremacy or dominance, but by the courage to step up, the strength to help carry the weaker members of society, the honour to protect the vulnerable and the confidence to not feel emasculated by conceding error or showing tenderness or loving other men.

Most of that is applicable to humans in general, regardless of gender, biology, sexuality, ethnicity or whether they like soy-based foods, but if we're gonna lean into masculine stereotypes, let it be the healthy, beneficial ones.

And if we're gonna lean into men, have fun!

[–] mustlane@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

<hr/>

I never actually tried HTML tags (and I'd be surprised if they work, given the vulnerabilities that would introduce), but Lemmy (or at least most clients) supports Markdown, where --- achieves the same effect.

Actually, let me try the HTML tag.

Doesn't look like it on my end. Shame.

 

While we're at it, it does support HTML entities like ü ∈ or ⥱ (&uuml; &in; or &#x2971; respectively).

You can also use &nbsp; for larger paragraphs breaks like the one above:

text 

&nbsp;

text 
[–] mustlane@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh,.. of course. I kinda forgot that there is a vanilla markdown language.

Got used too much to html/xml

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[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

This is patently inaccurate. If anything, bad times make soft men, in many of us desperate crave someone to protect us, with whom we feel safe to be soft with. And then, of course, soft men makes hard men

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 13 points 2 weeks ago

So... we are in bad times... and bad times make hard men... and "we need MEN"... and grindr's going to make men hard...

Just trying to follow the logic...

[–] Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

most of the 20th century dictators were men "made" by bad times. explain this sherlock.

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The current times were made by people in their 60s to 80s so they are the weak men by his logic.

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

good times make hard men. soft men make me hard.

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[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Soft men make me hard.

[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago

Hard men make soft men. Soft men become hard men... What were we talking about?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago
[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Did he just call himself soft?

I’m so glad they sloppily hilighted the text, otherwise I might not have understood it

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So is Mr Fox admitting to being a soft man for being around to cause these problems?

[–] MML@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay, who else tried to wipe or blow away the random line?

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I was once told that blowing is gay.

... The guy was serious. Not using a euphemism.

If he saw it, he'd leave it be, not wanting to be gay.

XD

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

It’s funny that Laurence is about as soft a lad as they come. His entire acting family is so obviously posh and pampered that they all have to play Malfoys, but the rest of them just get on with it instead of coming out with cry-baby shit like this on the regular.

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