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I remember when I suggested that I shouldn't learn to write in 1998, because you can just type on the computer, I was laughed at. I was told that at best I'd still need to learn to write, and at worst computers can turn out as a fad due to them requiring electricity to work, they can crash and go bad, etc. Pease note that my dislike of writing was heavily influenced by likely having dyspraxia, and a lot of cheaper pens/pencils being mildly painful to hold.

However, the very same people are now disencouraging anything that the AI is promised to replace. Don't draw, just use Dall-E. Don't code, just use ChatGPT. Don't play music, just use Suno. Don't make movies, just wait until it can do it good enough. The music one is even often being pushed by those who absolutely despised electronic music for "not requiring any talent, just pressing buttons", all while AI music is literally what ignorant rock/metal kids thought electronic music production was. Even one person, who criticized me for using amp sims on my PC instead of a wall of tube amplifiers is more favorable than not towards AI music.

I wonder if those who now disencourage art classes in favor of a short lesson on how to prompt an image generator will also disencourage writing due to speech-to-text technologies. Maybe the problem is that they don't use LLMs, but often a more primitive version of neural networks.

And I'm not 100% against new tools. I even use Neural Amp Modeler, sometimes even two instances with one having a Boss HM-2 response for that Swedish chainsaw tone. But these prompt machines are barely more than toys for real professional work, due to the lack of actual control beyond prompting.

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[–] northernlights@lemmy.today 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

cloud/virtualize everything was a big push too.

[–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 hours ago

But that was pushed on companies and their developers more than consumers. "AI" is pushed on everyone. And their dog.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Had a few times I went out to recharge my social battery, and at least a couple of people I know over some drinks have gone whole hog on ChatGPT believing the shit's gonna make them rich by supposedly making the process of coding or otherwise simplified instead of (re)learning programming by reading hours of documentation and running sample code.

[–] Aneb@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Thats literally my sister. She got her proposal approved by a local startup incubator so she thinks it'll make her rich

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 15 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I think that the reason behind this is twofold

  • Imagine you want control over everything and everyone, what better way than to be a literal "friend" to them whispering ideas in their ear
  • Imagine never having to pay employees. They're the most expensive part of any business, by a lot. There are probably a few exceptions but rare ones.
[–] zd9@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

AI by itself is amazing, and is being used in thousands of ways to tangibly improve the world. The problem is when capitalists get their greedy authoritarian hands on any technology, they try to squeeze as much power and money out of it at the expense of the common person.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I wanna add:

  • imagine there is no demand after making the investment.
[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Totally valid. This is hopefully what ends up regulating the tech, total alienation.

God knows the government's not going to do it.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 16 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

The AI push is definitely worse, but the second place, in my mind is the whole "smart" (insert mundane home gadget here).

I'm surprised I didn't see smart toothpaste or anything.

[–] Tinks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I have very much adopted and invested in smart technology and even I am massively annoyed by the fact that EVERYTHING connects to WiFi these days. My dishwasher can supposedly download new wash cycles or some nonsense. It's obnoxious and it will never know wifi. I just like being able to automate things and make my life easier in simple ways. When I dismiss my alarm in the morning my kitchen lights turn on because the first thing I do is go feed the pets. It helps light up the house a bit during winter when I wake up and I love it. THAT is what smart home technology should be. Not a freakin toaster connecting to WiFi so it can alert you when your toast is done.

On the topic of smart toothbrushes, I did get given one to test out and it was actually pretty cool. After you finished brushing it would send a map of your mouth and what you brushed in case you missed any spots. The app ended up being a bit buggy so I got rid of it, but I could see how that type of thing could be useful, especially for certain demographics like kids. They had a way to gamify brushing your teeth for kids as well, which is silly, but could also be effective especially for autistic kids.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

Every ten years or so, someone tries to push "Smart Homes" again. You can find ads of these things going back to the 50's. They want to vendor lock in every appliance in your home. The product lines themselves never actually last very long.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 5 points 14 hours ago

Also HD. Everything was HD. Sunglasses, now with HD lenses.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 2 points 15 hours ago

I'm sure oral-b isn't far behind on that one. They've been making smart electric toothbrushes for a while.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 12 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

This is late stage supply-side economics if I've ever seen it.

EDIT: I hope this shit fails like 3D TV.

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

lol 3D tv isn't in the same ballpark as AI. It is a bubble and the hype will die down, but it's here to stay. Probably going to be as engrained as the internet is, but even that had a huge bubble in the early 2000s.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Some applications of it will stick around, but after the bubble bursts I suspect a lot of the evil offspring of clippy will hit the great dustbin in the sky.

Many of the cloud models will likely be taken offline due to operational cost.

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Sorry but you don't really know what you're talking about. I think your idea of AI is very narrow to LLM for customer facing applications, but it has been and will continue to be used in thousands of applications.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 5 minutes ago

No, the common definition of AI has largely changed to refer to LLM chatbots / "generative AI". You can thank Sam Altman and his butt sucking buddies for that.

You just want to argue definitions because it tickles your fancy.

This very community is named "fuck AI" but I doubt you'll find many people here against OCR (which is technically "AI").

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ooh, the "Smart" era. We still have "Smart" TVs from that era (as in, a device that still uses the "smart" prefix).

But there was a period not too long ago everything was called "smart", which came down to shoving a SOC into some mundane household item and forcing an Internet requirement.

From that era we had such wonderful inventions as:

  • the Smart Water Bottle (required a phone app. It reminded you about being thirsty),
  • the Smart Tea Kettle (required an online connection to retrieve the specific boiling time/water temperature for proprietary tea blends),
  • the smart juicer (required an Internet connection and an app to pour large, proprietary bags of Capri-Sun into a cup for you),
  • the Smart Car (a tiny city car. Yes, that's all it was; just a car... but smol).
[–] DonAntonioMagino@feddit.nl 7 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

The car isn’t from that era, though.

[–] ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

It was named after the Smart watch from the 1980s.

[–] chillhelm@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

And has an actual, applicable use case. (Dense city outside north america with bad public transportation and a customer allergic to cycling).

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 hours ago

It works outside dense cities too. It's not FUN to drive on a highway, but the max speed of even the weakest 2nd gen model is not legal anywhere in my country. Not sure about first gen because Wikipedia didn't list speeds for those and I CBA to look it up. The four door variants, though still tiny, had slightly bigger engines and therefore higher top speeds.

The Juicero did at least crush actual fruit. But, it was hilariously over-built, and you could squeeze the bags of fruit by hand just fine.

[–] melisdrawing@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago

I remember a time when every day our letter carrier would bring us another AOL compact disc. It was incredible, there were AOL CDs littering the streets, crushed rainbow shards promising to connect you to the world.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I dunno furbies were everywhere

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago (2 children)
[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago

Everyone has an attention-hungry tamagotchi. They moan when they want more electricity, and giggle when you connect them to a charger.

They sigh when you switch them off.

They make you feel uncomfortable when you leave home without them.

They want you to constantly feed them with information.

They are called smartphones now.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 4 points 15 hours ago

They kept developing those for like 10 years after the 90s and made color ones

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

My company didn't push idiot toys that speak gibberish on us, unless you count PMs.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

i've met your c suite let's be honest

[–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's because it fucking sucks. Especially if you were already a person that knows how to search the internet and find the best answer already. That only took an extra 10 to 15 seconds most of the time, and you could be sure of where you got the information and whether this source is accurate or biased. That's to say nothing of the dangers, which tech bros actually don't give a shit about. The tech industry has historically gone from technological advancement to technological advancement in order to stay relevant and continue making the same level of money, or more than they were before. We finally reached a point where there's not really any big problems to solve with the current tech, and no real obvious next step, so they are looking for their next big breakthrough and trying to force one in the meantime. The sad thing is what they want to be the next big break is just not there yet, to me it kind of seems like it won't ever be the way they want it, and there's no way to know when we might get there with it. So instead they are taking this disinformation robot and pushing it into the lives of everyone so that they can now use the disinformation and improved information gathering as their new business model, because just pausing growth is a death sentence for a company in unregulated capitalism. If your company can't grow like a cancer, you become irrelevant and die

[–] upandatom@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

I can only hope your enter key is currently in the shop.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago

This push is what Business to Business sales looks like, the unrelenting combination of FOMO and ease of use. It reeks of comparative spending where people who don't know what they are doing buy things for a business based on what competitors are purchasing instead of what their organization needs for the business.

This happened with cloud computing 10 to 15 years ago and is why Cloudflare going down means nothing works.

It happened before with workstations. And before that it was telephony (and that's why desks have phones even if no one uses them). Before that it was an open office concept.

Business fads are annoying because they are a whole different culture of people I don't relate to making choices I don't care about. But AI is connecting all things, businesses and people. The problem is AI doesn't fit any problem quite right so it is being shipped around to all parts of the market to find buyers. It hasn't found a sustainable amount of money yet and the combo of business and user subscriptions isn't cutting it. This is the bubble and when no one is found to want it then the buzz will die down and we can be prodded into another societal gimmick.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 52 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Well, Cloud computing, Bitcoin/Block chain and Quantum computing come to mind with more recently over-hyped technologies... And I'm not sure what to make of the successful ones. Smartphones have certainly reshaped the world within my lifetime. I still remember when I was a kid and there was no wifi, just dial-up internet and you'd have to use landline phones and telephone booths. But smartphones weren't forced on us back then... People adopted them on their own because they were massively useful... Still only took a few years and everyone had one. (And it's just now that they're forced upon us. I mean try riding a train or attend a concert or get an appointment without using smartphones...)

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

To pick nits, cloud computing isn't over hyped. It is really, actually cool and useful.

Now saying that you have to use AWS, Azure, or whatever other cloud provider is dumb. But the tech used in cloud computing really is the future.

My desktop OS is built with the same tech and it's amazing.

Edit: and I do a bunch of self hosting with cloud tech.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 2 points 18 hours ago

Yeah, you're right. Cloud is a bit of a weird one. I guess I should have mentioned it along with phones as actual useful tech. I think what I meant is, at first it got slapped as a label on every product whether that was "cloud" or just their old server. And for the customers, it regularly means: "We all don't know where your personal data is stored, probably in some datacenters of ours in the USA or with some of our business partners." Which isn't great for privacy, since it's not transparent at all... But the tech itself is solid. We need horizontal scaling with big platforms. I myself have a small VPS as well, I don't run cloud stuff on it but it magically runs leveraging some cloud technology in the background. Other than that I have a NAS at home, running some other services, but that's a good old regular computer. 😃

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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The closest thing I can think of at the moment is Blockchain.

[–] ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

There were hundreds of car companies in the US in the 1920s, financed with billions of dollars and with no chance of success.

That ended well didn't it.

[–] expr@programming.dev 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah but honestly, this dwarfs that. It's not even close.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago

Crypto was pushed big in certain tech circles, but remained pretty niche to normies.

Every CEO is getting their dick hard over how many people they think they can fire once they get this AI thing finally figured out.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Company pushing their own app so hard that everything that could be done in web or html5 is now app. I think this is one of the more recent "we gonna do it else we're being left out" stuff, but before the blockchain and AI push. Also "smart" everything and "iot" everything. Absolutely insanity.

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[–] Strider@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail.

And sunken cost fallacy. Pretty much sums it up.

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