You all better be lining up to submit Stalin apology forms. He was really cooking with that 'Social Fascism' stuff.
Chapotraphouse
Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.
No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer
Slop posts go in c/slop. Don't post low-hanging fruit here.
"Social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. Except when it benefits am*ricans, then it's fine actually. Based, even."
Why are we going from "weekly relitigation of the already discussed shortcomings of the socdem mayor" to now doing it twice daily?
Are we not exhausted?
Given the continued decline in activity on our instance, it's very rare that I'll suggest "not posting" content (rather, one should post twice as much of what they would like to see, if they don't like the frontpage). At the same time, dredging up old news over and over is boring and uninviting to new users.
I am increasingly concerned that the site isn't going to survive more than one or two more struggle sessions, due to the constant "left -signaling". The most substantial discussion I've seen is coming from like 5 effort posters, when there used to be a good handful of threads with interesting discussion on a daily basis (even without an effort post!)
It just feels like hexbear has been becoming less healthy as time has gone on, and I think we have a lot of history that I'd like to sustain. Or maybe I'm just reading the room entirely wrong?
HB has in some respects definitely decayed, though I like to think there's a renewed interest in addressing some of its existing problems. The "left-signaling" thing has always been an issue though, one that really stems from the "we can't do anything, we can merely speak, so we must validate ourselves by speaking and saying better things than others" sort of mindset that I usually associate with academic liberals. It's alienating, doesn't help anything, and ironically has produced an ideological race to the bottom because the "saying better things," (perhaps due to being unmoored from practice or even study) isn't really about saying things that are actually better but about saying things that have a more progressive vibe to other people who also don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
The website signed its death warrant a long time ago when it decided that it wasn't interested in growing (not "grow by any means necessary!" but merely making an active effort at all) and instead has just been spiraling in circles in isolation, festering and disconnected from everyone else.
Great comment, I agree. It's been very sad watching this place decline after years of what felt like one of the few truly vibrant leftist spaces on the internet. I do have my own thoughts and opinions as far as a diagnosis for the decline, but I think they're right in line with what you're saying. The series of major struggle sessions where the moderators and admins were at odds with seemingly most of the users on the site were in my opinion what dealt the heaviest blows that this place never really recovered from. But what you're saying about how "left-signaling" has always been an issue here is at the root of those struggle sessions.
There was a comment that a lemmygrad user made almost a year ago that got to the heart of it and expressed the issue better than I could hope to. Here is just a small part of it.
Without this educational and patient emphasis - and without structures that help democratize the way the organization communicates and functions - the group becomes at risk of toxicity and focusing endlessly on grievances based on whoever is "in charge" at the moment. Sometimes you get lucky and the people "in charge" keep things running well and avoiding turmoil. More often, you get toxic cliques, subsequent imbalanced application of norms, and a treatment of comrades as primary enemies. creates burnout and alienation between everyone.
This instance is increasingly tending towards the latter, with calcifying cliques at various levels that are increasingly hostile towards the userbase. They frame this using communist and liberationist language, though often inconsistently.
It is a much longer comment than what I just quoted, and worth reading in full. It should be noted that the meaning of who is "in charge" isn't necessarily the mods and admins, but can just as easily be a nebulous group of frequent commenters who tend to set the mores of site culture. Incidentally, I think a lot of the problems have actually died down. Hexbear feels a lot less cliquish now then it did roughly a year ago. It is also significantly less active, but that's because of the damage that has already been done, and even if it's not as bad as it was, the problem never went away.
:this:
And honestly, thank God for that. Have you seen the rest of the internet?
I see people say this a lot, though often they speak just as fatalistically about hexbear itself, and I wonder if they are really communists if they feel like changing even a small niche on the internet that they themselves are a part of is such a completely foregone conclusion. If that's your attitude, what's the point in anything?
In my view, this is just thinly-veiled snobbery to suggest that it's not worth growing the userbase at all because everyone else is just so below us, though whether it's true elitism, an excuse to give up, or something else, I can't say. I really don't think that's an unfair phrasing of your response, and I think the problems with it are mostly obvious.
Granted, one of my differences with the majority of the userbase is that I have never once thought this community was actually functional as a safe space, it has always been ableist for reasons much more fundamental than that people use bad words and it takes active effort from a small minority of users to slowly push it in a better direction, so while I've tried to encourage making it a safer space, I could never imagine it in the terms usually presented of it being either a safe haven or an agitation platform. You can call me defeatist too that I've maybe only once in my life encountered a community that I'd say was kind of not ableist and I cannot imagine this one ever being like that, but I do believe that everywhere and everyone can at least be improved, including both us in here and the people outside.
I think the two people who posted this today didn't realize it was a clip from the same interview that was already discussed. This has been posted elsewhere as a new clip.
I'm tired of hearing about Mamdani because I already dismissed him as a serious socialist the first time I saw this interview, and so should anyone else who claims to be a socialist. If people want to keep their social democrat mayor, they can have him (that's fine), but I won't pretend he's anything other than that on a website for discussion of socialism and neither should they.
We all know where we stand on the Mamdani Overton Window. I think the discussion has been good. I want to have more discussion when something actually happens . The post yesterday on c/urbanism was fine, even.
Why are we going from "weekly relitigation of the already discussed shortcomings of the socdem mayor" to now doing it twice daily?
It's an interesting illustration of how news travels around the internet and a single story gets covered multiple times, making it seem bigger than it is. It's not new and it's how social media amplifies certain narratives and how people become trapped in propaganda loops. I'm not saying this specific story is propaganda, I'm talking about how news travels around the internet in general.
It travels between sites in a loop. Twitter to reddit, reddit to hexbear. Or directly from twitter to hexbear. It's cyclical in time. A story gets posted, people digest and move on. It comes back around after traveling the loop, now the story is fresh again and seems like a new instance of the same event. News also gets digested and regurgitated. An initial story happens, gets posted and discussed. Then a news outlet in need of content writes a story about the reaction to the story. This makes the event seem like it's happening again or constantly.
All this adds up to people thinking one event happens multiple times and often. This is why crime reporting is so effective in detaching people from understanding real risk. Even if we understand all this, we're not immune to it. For all of our criticism and media awareness, we still fall into these traps.
Great points. My vision for our community would be that we discuss this exact phenomenon more often and even try and innoculate our community from that effect. We could even position ourselves in the media ecosystem and make ourselves relevant. I don't even think we can do that at the scale of the Lemmyverse anymore.
I want to be part of a community that has a higher level of self awareness. I'd like to do that outside of the bigtech ecosystem. Having a Lemmy instance is cool beans, so I'm frustrated that it is likely going to slip away.
We will continue catering to the ragebait slop demo until morale improves.
"It just feels like hexbear has been becoming less healthy as time has gone on"
I know I'm late to the party but I wanted to chime in real quick and say that while this is true, it mirrors society as a whole. Everything is going to shit, the strain on all of us is unyielding, and there is literally no light in the darkness for so, so many of us. So, when one star miraculously manages to shine bright, its only natural to have the temptation to foist those same hopes and dreams upon them. When that star dies out, as we're witnessing in real time with Zohran, then the most human thing you can do is grieve for that loss of hope.
I know many of you are feeling smug about this with the "fell for it again award" posts, but as a collective this isn't the path to help our brothers and sisters move forward. Telling people that they're fucking stupid for trying to put their energy and effort into some semblance of a better future isn't doing anything other than posting to make yourself feel superior.

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Some people think that the bourgeoisie adopted “pacifism” and “democracy” not because it was compelled to do so, but voluntarily, of its own free choice, so to speak. And it is assumed that, having defeated the working class in decisive battles (Italy, Germany), the bourgeoisie felt that it was the victor and could now afford to adopt “democracy.” In other words, while the decisive battles were in progress, the bourgeoisie needed a fighting organisation, needed fascism; but now that the proletariat is defeated, the bourgeoisie no longer needs fascism and can afford to use “democracy” instead, as a better method of consolidating its victory. Hence, the conclusion is drawn that, the rule of the bourgeoisie has become consolidated, that the “era of pacifism” will be a prolonged one, and that the revolution in Europe has been pigeonholed.
This assumption is absolutely wrong.
Firstly, it is not true that fascism is only the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. Fascism is not only a military-technical category. Fascism is the bourgeoisie’s fighting organisation that relies on the active support of Social-Democracy. Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. There is no ground for assuming that the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of Social-Democracy. There is just as little ground for thinking that Social-Democracy can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie. These organisations do not negate, but supplement each other. They are not antipodes, they are twins. Fascism is an informal political bloc of these two chief organisations; a bloc, which arose in the circumstances of the post-war crisis of imperialism, and which is intended for combating the proletarian revolution. The bourgeoisie cannot retain power without such a bloc. It would therefore be a mistake to think that “pacifism” signifies the liquidation of fascism. In the present situation, “pacifism” is the strengthening of fascism with its moderate, Social-Democratic wing pushed into the forefront.
Secondly, it is not true that the decisive battles have already been fought, that the proletariat was defeated in these battles, and that bourgeois rule has been consolidated as a consequence. There have been no decisive battles as yet, if only for the reason that there have not been any mass, genuinely Bolshevik parties, capable of leading the proletariat to dictatorship. Without such parties, decisive battles for dictatorship are impossible under the conditions of imperialism. The decisive battles in the West still lie ahead. There have been only the first serious attacks, which were repulsed by the bourgeoisie; the first serious trial of strength, which showed that the proletariat is not yet strong enough to overthrow the bourgeoisie, but that the bourgeoisie is already unable to discount the proletariat. And precisely because the bourgeoisie is already unable to force the working class to its knees, it was compelled to renounce frontal attacks, to make a detour, to agree to a compromise, to resort to “democratic pacifism.”
Lastly, it is also not true that “pacifism” is a sign of the strength and not of the weakness of the bourgeoisie, that “pacifism” should result in consolidating the power of the bourgeoisie and in postponing the revolution for an indefinite period. Present-day pacifism signifies the advent to power, direct or indirect, of the parties of the Second International. But what does the advent to power of the parties of the Second International mean? It means their inevitable self-exposure as lackeys of imperialism, as traitors to the proletariat, for the governmental activity of these parties can have only one result: their political bankruptcy, the growth of contradictions within these parties, their disintegration, their decay. But the disintegration of these parties will inevitably lead to the disintegration of the rule of the bourgeoisie, for the parties of the Second International are props of imperialism. Would the bourgeoisie have undertaken this risky experiment with pacifism if it had not been compelled to do so; would it have done so of its own free will? Of course, not! This is the second time that the bourgeoisie is undertaking the experiment with pacifism since the end of the imperialist war. The first experiment was made immediately after the war, when it seemed that revolution was knocking at the door. The second experiment is being undertaken now, after Poincaré’s and Curzon’s risky experiments. Who would dare deny that imperialism will have to pay dearly for this swinging of the bourgeoisie from pacifism to rabid imperialism and back again, that this is pushing vast masses of workers out of their habitual philistine rut, that it is drawing the most backward sections of the proletariat into politics and is helping to revolutionise them? Of course, “democratic pacifism” is not yet the Kerensky regime, for the Kerensky regime implies dual power, the collapse of bourgeois power and the coming into being of the foundations of proletarian power. But, there can scarcely be any doubt that pacifism signifies the immense awakening of the masses, the fact that the masses are being drawn into politics; that pacifism is shaking bourgeois rule and preparing the ground for revolutionary upheavals. And precisely for this reason pacifism is bound to lead not to the strengthening, but to the weakening of bourgeois rule, not to the postponement of the revolution for an indefinite period, but to its acceleration.
It does not, of course, follow that pacifism is not a serious danger to the revolution. Pacifism serves to sap the foundations of bourgeois rule, it is creating favourable conditions for the revolution; but it can have these results only against the will of the “pacifists” and “democrats” themselves, only if the Communist Parties vigorously expose the imperialist and counter-revolutionary nature of the pacifist-democratic rule of Herriot and MacDonald. As for what the pacifists and democrats want, as for the policy of the imperialists, they have only one aim in resorting to pacifism: to dupe the masses with high-sounding phrases about peace in order to prepare for a new war; to dazzle the masses with the brilliance of “democracy” in order to consolidate the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie; to stun the masses with clamour about the “sovereign” rights of nations and states in order the more successfully to prepare for intervention in China, for slaughter in Afghanistan and in the Sudan, for the dismemberment of Persia; to fool the masses with highfaluting talk about “friendly” relations with the Soviet Union, about various “treaties” with the Soviet government, in order to establish still closer relations with the counter-revolutionary conspirators who have been kicked out of Russia, with the aim of bandit operations in Byelorussia, the Ukraine and Georgia. The bourgeoisie needs pacifism as a camouflage. This camouflage constitutes the chief danger of pacifism. Whether the bourgeoisie will succeed in its aim of fooling the people depends upon the vigour with which the Communist Parties in the West and in the East expose the bourgeoisie, upon their ability to tear the mask from the imperialists in pacifist clothing. There is no doubt that events and practice will work in favour of the Communists in this respect by exposing the discrepancy between the pacifist words and the imperialist deeds of the democratic servitors of capital. It is the duty of the Communists to keep pace with events and ruthlessly to expose every step, every act of service to imperialism and betrayal of the proletariat committed by the parties of the Second International.
from Concerning the International Situation (1924) by J.V. Stalin

No American leftist who is trying to sell socialism to the American people ever has or ever will defend any AES state
...continuing the sentence with the only possible logical conclusion if that were actually true: there will never be a good American.

...What?
Fine,
No elected American leftist who is trying to sell socialism to the American people ever has or ever will defend any AES state
Just Kshama Sawant as far as I know.
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more like:
- we will protect palestine
- we will crush ice
- bring leftcommunism to venezuela
bring leftcommunism to venezuela
Can you stop with fantasizing about actual socialist states being leftcom. It’s gross.
I was excessively mean. Sorry about that.
~~Famously what happens when America bombs the shit out of a country, it becomes an antique amalgam of incompatible sects of anything-but-Marxism that haven't controlled enough land in world history to constitute a single city (cumulatively!)~~
~~This is my political theory. This is my serious interest in socialism and helping people: Killing a million third world laborers because, before and during the slaughter, I can have annoying fantasies about georgism and other words I picked up from HOI4 mods. When the bodies are cold, I can just forget about it and move on to the next fantasy, since it's not like it was my blood that was spilled!~~
are you mocking me?
Are you mocking me by saying the current situation can in any manner be reconciled with a desire to "bring leftcommunism to venezuela"? Because I definitely feel insulted by someone saying something that ridiculous like I'm just expected to believe it.