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Cars used to be entirely mechanical objects. With hard work and expertise, basically any old vehicle could be restored and operated: On YouTube, you can watch a man drive a 1931 Alvis to McDonald’s. But the car itself was stuck in time. If the automaker added a feature to the following year’s model, you just didn’t get it. Things have changed. My Model 3 has few dials or buttons; nearly every feature is routed through the giant central touch screen. It’s not just Tesla: Many new cars—and especially electric cars—are now stuffed with software, receiving over-the-air updates to fix bugs, tweak performance, or add new functionality.

In other words, your car is a lot like an iPhone (so much so that in the auto industry, describing EVs as “smartphones on wheels” has become a go-to cliché.) This has plenty of advantages—the improved navigation, the fart noises—but it also means that your car may become worse because the software is outdated, not because the parts break. Even top-of-the-line phones are destined to become obsolete—still able to perform the basic functions like phone calls and texts, but stuck with an old operating system and failing apps. The same struggle is now coming for cars.

Software-dependent cars are still new enough that it’s unclear how they will age. “It’s becoming the ethos of the industry that everyone’s promising a continually evolving car, and we don’t yet know how they’re going to pull that off,” Sean Tucker, a senior editor at Kelley Blue Book, told me. “Cars last longer than technology does.” The problem with cars as smartphones on wheels is that these two machines live and die on very different timescales. Many Americans trade in their phone every year and less than 30 percent keep an iPhone for longer than three years, but the average car on the road is nearly 13 years old. (Tesla didn’t respond to a request for comment about how its cars age.)

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 16 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Bullshit article. Absolutely nothing about these problems is unique to EVs.

[–] causepix@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

Yeah its whole thing is that software gets outdated but like ...?

A) The latest ICE vehicles are equally tech'd out the wazoo, infotainment is 1:1 and mechanically they've even phased out gear shifters for ones completely controlled by electronics.

B) Software doesn't just stop working, it's hardware that becomes obsolete. Windows XP still runs the same as it ever did on the right hardware. There are servers around from the 90s that are still running software written in programming languages that don't exist anymore. If you always run the same software on the same hardware (as you do in automotive; most vehicles don't require more than 1-2 OTA updates per year, purely for bug fixes, and each one has a unique build specifically made for its hardware) there's no reason the two should ever lose compatibility.

C) Reliability is a major factor, taken into account by OEMs, that isn't nearly as high stakes for other tech sectors. An $800 phone dies in a few years, so what, the buyer has most likely already moved on to the next generation. A $35K car dies in a few years, you've probably lost a good number of buyers for life and definitely screwed them over in terms of resale value. Phone OS crashes, whatever, just restart it. Automotive software fails, well people's lives could very easily be in jeopardy.

It's not the modular, one-size-fits-all, update-till-the-hardware-fails, move-fast-break-things approach taken in lower-stakes computing. To liken it to a smartphone is completely ridiculous.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago

Pretty much all the cars that weren't made in the last decade or so.

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 111 points 1 day ago (23 children)

The writer owns a tesla.
All communication disregarded.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 36 points 1 day ago

Thank you for saving me the click. 🤝

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[–] 18107@aussie.zone 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My 2012 Nissan Leaf is still doing fine.

Maybe it's not an issue with EVs, but with overbearing automakers.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 12 hours ago

I really don't think it has much to do at all with ICE vs Electric vehicles. It just so happens that both transitions are going on at the same time. If anything, the electronics involved in running an average modern ICE vehicle are more complicated and more proprietary than an average electric vehicle.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 16 hours ago

Tesla now makes the battery pack integral with their gigapress frames, so the batteries cannot be replaced. The cars are glued together over cast aluminum so yeah, it's a fucking iphone on wheels.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

i wonder when first teslas start bricking up just so people have to buy new one

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 2 points 10 hours ago

They already catch on fire like Richard Pryors Samsung lol.

[–] Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If we can push towards green electricity generation, I would be up for an electric car. Where I live our electricity isn't green so it feels kind of...counter intuitive in a sense.

My main gripe with any new vehicle is touch screens. If there's a touch screen in the thing ima flip a table. Give me physical buttons please. Oh I guess my secondary gripe is trying to make cars compact in ways that make it impossible difficult to work on yourself.

I want smaller cars, but I also want something that people can work on easily.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

our electricity isn't green so it feels kind of...counter intuitive in a sense

Even if your power source is burning coal, it's still less harmful to drive an EV powered by coal than an ICE car powered by gasoline or diesel.

This oil and coal industry talking point has been debunked time and time again.

Hell, even Forbes of all outlets has an article about it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikescott/2020/03/30/yes-electric-cars-are-cleaner-even-when-the-power-comes-from-coal/

[–] Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org 1 points 7 hours ago

I didn't know this, thanks for sharing!

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Have you heard of Slate? They sound a lot like what you're looking for

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

and they wil only cost ~~$20,000~~, ~~$22,000~~, $25,000...

[–] save_the_humans@leminal.space 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Why not just make your own electric car? You only need to be an electrical engineer, a mechanical engineer, and have access to large industrial tooling. Basically. How hard could it be? Just watch some YouTube videos.

[–] philpo@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago

Well, the AM transmitter in the old car won't work anymore as well.

Cars do age the same in terms of user experience - they are simply frozen in the state they are. (And at least within the EU can be operated fully offline)

The author seems to be more concerned that his car might not get "new features" anymore - and that bothers hims as the "free update" culture is extending to a lot of things. Technology advances but nothing has changed about that - that was always the case and now we can at least update some things.

While I would love to have a carnaker offer a open source plattform that would make people able to update and modify the entertainment/navigation part of their car I actually spoke to a car makers product manager about it - and sadly the multitude of regulations cars fall under in their various markets makes that basically impossible.

More important would be that we campaign for other things in terms of laws (some are in place in the EU but are currently under pressure):

  • Manufacturers need to provide security updates for online functions for 10 years after the end of production.

  • Manufacturers need to provide navigation updates for 5 years after the end of production

  • Cars need a designated fully offline mode

  • Driving data obtained must not be used for commercial purposes. (Currently already implemented in the GDPR)

  • Important and often overlooked: Manufacturers must provide service software tools for cars for ALL repair shops and for at least 20 years after end of production. AND we need to work towards an open source industry standard.

[–] dom@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Isnt this all cars and not just evs?

yeah, you can't really buy a car that doesn't have mobile data for "telemetry" (your driving data is sold to insurance companies)

even base trims get some phone app stuff, meaning there's the ability to execute commands on the car. so, if they really wanted, there's nothing stopping automakers from bricking your car, gas or EV, because they feel like it.

yipee...

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think what is being implied is EVs will have planned obsolescence even if they are perfectly working fine, like smartphones. Whether it be irreplaceable batteries, or software updates not being backward compatible. Regular cars are capable of lasting until they literally break down and die.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Regular cars have been increasingly slaved to the on-board computer since the 1990s though.

You can only buy a few modern cars that don’t send constant telemetry back to the manufacturer, for example — just like televisions.

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[–] Asetru@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago

That's literally their point?

Regular cars are capable of lasting until they literally break down and die.

These don't exist anymore. If they do, it doesn't matter if they move by burning fossils or electricity. It's not a matter of EVs being movable smart devices that will be left behind eventually, it's a matter of cars being like that.

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