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Cars used to be entirely mechanical objects. With hard work and expertise, basically any old vehicle could be restored and operated: On YouTube, you can watch a man drive a 1931 Alvis to McDonald’s. But the car itself was stuck in time. If the automaker added a feature to the following year’s model, you just didn’t get it. Things have changed. My Model 3 has few dials or buttons; nearly every feature is routed through the giant central touch screen. It’s not just Tesla: Many new cars—and especially electric cars—are now stuffed with software, receiving over-the-air updates to fix bugs, tweak performance, or add new functionality.

In other words, your car is a lot like an iPhone (so much so that in the auto industry, describing EVs as “smartphones on wheels” has become a go-to cliché.) This has plenty of advantages—the improved navigation, the fart noises—but it also means that your car may become worse because the software is outdated, not because the parts break. Even top-of-the-line phones are destined to become obsolete—still able to perform the basic functions like phone calls and texts, but stuck with an old operating system and failing apps. The same struggle is now coming for cars.

Software-dependent cars are still new enough that it’s unclear how they will age. “It’s becoming the ethos of the industry that everyone’s promising a continually evolving car, and we don’t yet know how they’re going to pull that off,” Sean Tucker, a senior editor at Kelley Blue Book, told me. “Cars last longer than technology does.” The problem with cars as smartphones on wheels is that these two machines live and die on very different timescales. Many Americans trade in their phone every year and less than 30 percent keep an iPhone for longer than three years, but the average car on the road is nearly 13 years old. (Tesla didn’t respond to a request for comment about how its cars age.)

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[–] dom@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Isnt this all cars and not just evs?

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I think what is being implied is EVs will have planned obsolescence even if they are perfectly working fine, like smartphones. Whether it be irreplaceable batteries, or software updates not being backward compatible. Regular cars are capable of lasting until they literally break down and die.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Regular cars have been increasingly slaved to the on-board computer since the 1990s though.

You can only buy a few modern cars that don’t send constant telemetry back to the manufacturer, for example — just like televisions.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 6 points 2 days ago

There's different levels of computerized control though. Would fuel injection and other modern efficiency and safety systems be possible without a main computer? I wouldn't trade my days with simple mechanical cars and carburetors from the learning experience, but I also wouldn't go back if I had a choice.

The line crossed was being connected to work, not computers themselves. I agree that the modern car market is a minefield in whether or not there's anything you could get that isn't dependent in some way on being online. Buy used, there's still stuff out there that will give long life, has been tested by the first owners, and doesn't have the manufacturer's grip on it.

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago

That's literally their point?

Regular cars are capable of lasting until they literally break down and die.

These don't exist anymore. If they do, it doesn't matter if they move by burning fossils or electricity. It's not a matter of EVs being movable smart devices that will be left behind eventually, it's a matter of cars being like that.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No batteries are irreplaceable. It would be really stupid to do that because then the OEM would have to throw away the entire vehicle when there was any sort of battery issue. Software updates have nothing to do with the powertrain. It's not an EV problem.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

LOL. Both neighbors on either side of me lease Teslas and both have had the cars replaced because Tesla could not fix them.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 4 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

...and? Do you think lemon laws were created before or after Tesla?

[–] GreenCrunch@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 days ago

yeah, you can't really buy a car that doesn't have mobile data for "telemetry" (your driving data is sold to insurance companies)

even base trims get some phone app stuff, meaning there's the ability to execute commands on the car. so, if they really wanted, there's nothing stopping automakers from bricking your car, gas or EV, because they feel like it.

yipee...

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 5 points 2 days ago

Cars in general have rigorous software testing that means the last update will run fine indefinitely, and most of the updates only change nice to have features, not core operations like the engine and drive train.

EVs are pushing the envelope by having some software updates that directly change how the battery and drive train work. Tesla is the one I hear going completely in on subpar testing for updates to critical components. I don't know if other manufacturers are doing nearly as much as Tesla is, so it might even be a Tesla problem more than an EV problem at this point, but as time goes on others will become more bold with increasing numbers of updates and lazier testing because it worked out for Tesla's market share.

An EV that doesn't have constant software updates can easily exist, and they should work fine until the frame falls apart. I think a portion of the EV market falls into that category, but don't really know for certain.