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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'll just start my own journal with blackjack and hookers.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Remember that 80s magazine OMNI?
Science, tech, sci-fi, Mensa-caliber games... by the very same Bob Guccione who published Penthouse!

Every issue had an in-depth interview with a prominent and interesting scientist, figures like Alan Guth or Luc Montagnier or Morris Berman.
One issue was a little more off-beat, the interview was with an anthropologist, whose student life and career went like this:

Attending the University Of Montana in Missoula, this student loved drinking every day, so he asked the question - "What's a relatively easy major with little math, that will interfere the least with my drinking?" - and landed on Anthropology.

After graduation, the next question became - "What will I do my thesis about?" - a friend gave him the vague advice to do it on something he knew or was passionate about, and like a "eureka" moment, it hit him: "I'm gonna research drinking culture, bars!"

And so, he became one of the rarefied few for whom drinking on the job was basically a requirement!

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 hours ago

OMNi was not a scientific journal.

[–] GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago

Omni! I remember being a teenager, and eagerly getting my subscription copy every month in the mail. In fact, i think i still have them in a box in the garage.

I thought Omni was awesome, and that they did a good job of trying to make science more accessible to people. I just wish that they had succeeded.

[–] GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A journal about the science of blackjack and hookers?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

sure why not

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[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 298 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Fun (random shit I heard on the internet): the enshittification of journals mostly started with Pergamon Press which was founded by Ghislaine Maxwell's father.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 141 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 77 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Are we sure that current events aren’t just one long behind the bastards episode?

[–] Unforeseen@sh.itjust.works 63 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's bastards all the way down

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 13 points 1 day ago

ACAB but not ABAC

[–] Insekticus@aussie.zone 23 points 1 day ago

Bastards... what a bunch of bastards.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 day ago

Behind the bastard is just another bastard standing in line

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[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.zip 232 points 1 day ago (11 children)

In grad school I remember being encouraged to submit a paper to a journal that would have charged me a few hundred dollars to put it in for peer review, and I told my advisor no, I needed to buy groceries, I would not throw my money away for an extra line on my CV. He got all flustered and it was a great example of why higher education is so fucked. My advisor, who ostensibly understood my background and means, could not understand how such a relatively small fee would be so prohibitive. He was incapable of understanding that I was essentially unemployed while enrolled as his grad student, and every dollar of funding went to bare essentials so I could continue breathing. He had access to discretionary funds for this exact kind of issue (I found out later), and didn’t think to offer.

Without independent wealth and deep personal connections it’s incredibly difficult to succeed in academia, regardless of the quality of your research.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

My advisor, who ostensibly understood my background and means, could not understand how such a relatively small fee would be so prohibitive.

No advisor expects a student to pay publication charges. My lab pays about $10,000/yr into this racket.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago

I got lucky in that my publication was through a journal that doesn't charge money for access or submissions. It's part of our professional organization and our annual membership fees cover the journal's expenses.

[–] oppy1984 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Really needs to be a wikipedia style service for academic papers.

[–] JohnSmith@feddit.uk 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 hours ago

PLOS is a for not for profit corporation. The gatekeepers at PLOS are on Editorial boards and acting like they would at any other journal. Executives make over $300K a year each.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Without independent wealth and deep personal connections it’s incredibly difficult to succeed in academia, regardless of the quality of your research.

Always has been, ~~why do you think he's called SIR Isaac Newton?~~

EDIT : Turns out his knighthood was afterwards, but he did have connections. There are several examples of science being the domain of already rich people.

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago (8 children)
  • Neils Bohr, from a Jewish/Danish banking family.
  • James Clark Maxwell inherited land and wealth in Scotland.
  • Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz… look at the size of the wig on the man!
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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -3 points 13 hours ago

Without independent wealth and deep personal connections it’s incredibly difficult to succeed in academia, regardless of the quality of your research.

oh bullshit.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In grad school your institution should be paying for fees like that. If the school itself isn't paying, then doesn't the supervisor have a grant they can file it under?

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[–] zd9@lemmy.world 84 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The scientific journal industrial complex is one of the highest profit margins in the world. It's consistently at like 30-60% pure profit. Obviously not all journals are the same, some are reasonable, but some are insane. LOOKING AT YOU ELSEVIER

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[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 54 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“Clearly something you want me to do because you keep on paying, lol.”

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago

The subscription service/pay-to-play being everywhere has to stop eventually, right?

Like, eventually enough consumers will realize that they are bent over the barrel by their services.

I was darkly joking that Microsoft is like an abuser in another post yesterday, but the more I thought about it, the more the metaphor stuck. They take and take, make decisions on your behalf, cut you off from outsiders and make it increasingly difficult to escape the longer you let them get away with it. And that's not Microsoft's fault...that's capitalism, baby!

[–] FrankLaskey@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

This article in the Guardian is definitely worth a read if you’re not intimately familiar with just how it got this way.. It’s 8 years old so it won’t cover recent history but does give you an idea of how it started.

And yes Robert Maxwell (father of Ghislaine) is mostly to blame.

[–] marcela@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 day ago

It is as if the New Yorker or the Economist demanded that journalists write and edit each other’s work for free, and asked the government to foot the bill. Outside observers tend to fall into a sort of stunned disbelief when describing this setup. A 2004 parliamentary science and technology committee report on the industry drily observed that “in a traditional market suppliers are paid for the goods they provide”. A 2005 Deutsche Bank report referred to it as a “bizarre” “triple-pay” system, in which “the state funds most research, pays the salaries of most of those checking the quality of research, and then buys most of the published product”.

Racket.

[–] marcela@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maxwell insisted on grand titles – “International Journal of” was a favourite prefix. Peter Ashby, a former vice president at Pergamon, described this to me as a “PR trick”, but it also reflected a deep understanding of how science, and society’s attitude to science, had changed. Collaborating and getting your work seen on the international stage was becoming a new form of prestige for researchers, and in many cases Maxwell had the market cornered before anyone else realised it existed.

If you explain to any outsider that what we call science is a game of collecting and showing off units of prestige, they will be flabbergasted. Maxwell catered to the most superficial and vain aspects of the human psyche, and traded in a measure of righteousness. This is genius, I will grant him that, but opposite to the objectives of science. He made the worst possible metric about which to measure everything, and created a global system of narcissistic organizations selling their souls to publish to these journals.

And scientists are the least probable to rebel against this status quo. If anything, it will make them appear as big-time asses who are full of themselves. They are bound to project more legitimacy onto the system, similar to doomsday cultists.

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[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 18 points 1 day ago

Needs text alternative.Images of text break much that text alternatives do not. Losses due to image of text lacking alternative such as link:

  • usability
    • we can't quote the text without pointless bullshit like retyping it or OCR
    • text search is unavailable
    • the system can't
      • reflow text to varied screen sizes
      • vary presentation (size, contrast)
      • vary modality (audio, braille)
  • accessibility
    • lacks semantic structure (tags for titles, heading levels, sections, paragraphs, lists, emphasis, code, links, accessibility features, etc)
    • some users can't read this due to lack of alt text
    • users can't adapt the text for dyslexia or vision impairments
    • systems can't read the text to them or send it to braille devices
  • web connectivity
    • we have to do failure-prone bullshit to find the original source
    • we can't explore wider context of the original message
  • authenticity: we don't know the image hasn't been tampered
  • searchability: the "text" isn't indexable by search engine in a meaningful way
  • fault tolerance: no text fallback if
    • image breaks
    • image host is geoblocked due to insane regulations.

Contrary to age & humble appearance, text is an advanced technology that provides all these capabilities absent from images.

They don't do much: they're obsolete middlemen.

It's funny, because researchers at CERN invented the World Wide Web long ago to solve this problem: a web of hyperlinking[^hyperlink] dissertation articles. Then physicists at Los Alamos National Laboratory who were building a central repository of electronic preprints seized on the web to create arΧiv for sharing those preprints, thus pioneering open access. The NIH, inspired by arΧiv to do similar for biomedical & life sciences, dreamt up E-biomed

The goal of E-biomed was to provide free access to all biomedical research. Papers submitted to E-biomed could take one of two routes: either immediately published as a preprint, or through a traditional peer review process. The peer review process was to resemble contemporary overlay journals, with an external editorial board retaining control over the process of reviewing, curating, and listing papers which would otherwise be freely accessible on the central E-biomed server. Varmus intended to realize the new possibilities presented by communicating scientific results digitally, imagining continuous conversation about published work, versioned documents, and enriched "layered" formats allowing for multiple levels of detail.

but capitulation to industry pressure led them to settle for almost none of that with PubMed Central

Under pressure from vigorous lobbying from commercial publishers and scientific societies who feared for lost profits, NIH officials announced a revised PubMed Central proposal in August 1999. PMC would receive submissions from publishers, rather than from authors as in E-biomed. Publications were allowed time-embargoed paywalls up to one year. PMC would only allow peer-reviewed work — no preprints.

So, the technology to solve this has existed since the web began, but parasitic special interests who are pretty much obsolete inhibit their realization.

[^hyperlink]: so hyperlinks could replace citations & references

[–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago

Ctrl+C, Ctrl-V, Ctrl-P. Another hard workday done.

[–] JokeDeity@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I honestly don't understand this. It's not that expensive to just host a website where you publish your research to instead of using these scheisters.

[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.zip 50 points 1 day ago

It’s a feedback loop. In order to raise your academic profile and potentially get a job, you need a solid CV full of peer reviewed publications. In order to get published in the first place, you often need money and institutional backing.

If you circumvent that cycle by self-publishing (a solidly logical idea btw), then you’ll have an even harder job getting people to take you seriously and will alienate yourself from “mainstream” academia. It’s messed up. Some open access journals have tried to solve this, with some success, but it’s a systemic problem.

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[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Do these researches even get paid for publishing their work

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 hours ago

That's what research grants are for.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

Yea and idk about other parts of the world, but in Romania, the publishing fee is paid in full by the university if the researcher is part of a doctorate or masters programme... So it's just science institutions trading money between each other here...

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In a roundabout way, yes a researcher does get paid for their publications but not directly. Universities exist on their reputation and their reputation is determined, in part, from the publications their researchers make. So a researcher who publishes a lot of high quality publications has a better chance of being offered a position at an institution with a good reputation, which can offer to pay them more.

[–] PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 6 points 1 day ago

Great so these publication are gate keepers

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