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It's the first time in NBC News polling across five different violent incidents that there has been bipartisan agreement blaming extreme rhetoric from political and media figures.

More than 6 in 10 registered voters said they think “extreme political rhetoric” was an important contributor to the killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk earlier this year — including majorities of Democrats, Republicans and independents, according to the latest NBC News poll.

The findings represent a grim milestone in America’s reckoning with growing political violence and its root causes. The survey marks the first time, across questions about five different violent incidents over 15 years of NBC News polling, that there has been cross-partisan agreement that rhetoric played an important role in an attack, as opposed to the incident having been more about the actions of a single disturbed person.

Overall, 61% of respondents said they feel that “extreme political rhetoric used by some in the media and by political leaders was an important contributor” to Kirk’s killing.

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[–] Regna@lemmy.world 174 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, Kirk’s own political rhetoric was pretty extreme and violent.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not as violent or extreme as the groypers who killed him for not being violent and extreme enough tho...

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Did I miss credible evidence coming out that he was a groyper?

Last I heard that theory had been retracted because it was based on a misidentification of the markings on the shell casings.

[–] wizbiz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 4 months ago

He basically killed himself

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean yeah, there's no question that extremist rhetoric got him killed. and yeah I'd have to say it's far more of his own style of it. The part that baffles me is how it's only 60%, unless they somehow posed it as rhetoric against him. To me that question is as basic as saying "did gun violence have anything to do with his death?", uhh yeah.

I have feeling the question is vaguely worded so that they can then try and tear it to say "is it people saying he supports facism the reason for the violence". So that they can push to criminalize describing reality and pointing out real problems, because some people might try to solve problems with violence.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 4 months ago

and got killed by someone more extreme than he is.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 79 points 4 months ago

Reminder that 99% of terrorism this century has been right wing

The day people stop hearing right wing voices is the day most political violence ends.

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago (1 children)

he was killed by a conservative

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

a more RIGHT wing conservative than he is, aka fuentes is who is ultra right wing. Kirk is more akin to TRUMPs leaning, than a groypers.

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Nazi trash, is nazi trash and always will be

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Extreme in which direction?

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Yeah, ask these people to define what they mean by "rhetoric" and I bet this common ground dissolves pretty quickly

Republicans blamed rhetoric by the widest margin, 73%-19%, but independents (53%-28%) and Democrats (54%-34%) were also much more likely to blame extreme political rhetoric as a factor than to discount it.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Extreme RIGHT WING rhetoric please be honest for once

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How about asking what they think about white wing terrorism

[–] pilferjinx@piefed.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"if you take away the mentally ill you'll find that white wing terrorists don't exist." - probably

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Wrong, you’ll just be left with the evil ones

[–] Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 months ago

Say stupid shit, get popped.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's his own fault he is dead. Yeah, someone shot him, but he was basically advocating for mass extermination. So, the shooter basically defended third parties with his divine bullet of holy judgment.

Rot in hell Kirk.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

its also someone more right wing than he is. hes practically the left compared to FUENTES team.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Wouldn't it be something if Fuentes was ne. . ..

Nah, I don't want to accidentally violate a rule on Lemmy

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

Pretty sure the mods have half given up on that front. But yeah it'd be a right shame if Fuentes was the next one, after all it'd stop me from possibly giving him permanent paralysis and locked in syndrome. :D

[–] Sho@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Just another gang shooting at a school. Don't worry about it

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 months ago

Just another school shooting victim. No need to know his name.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 months ago

In same way that water is contributing to drowning.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 months ago

He who sows the wind shall reap the whirlwind.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

So then polling indicates he committed suicide?

[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 3 points 4 months ago

I wasn't aware that guns responded to violent rhetoric! Perhaps they should be more carefully restricted if they just go off like that.