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cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/48813307
!!! IF YOU ARE AN EU CITIZEN, PLEASE DO THE FOLLOWING FORM !!!
https://fightchatcontrol.eu/#contact-tool
Be especially sure to select your home country's permanent representation in the Committee, but selecting everyone the website proposes is a very good idea (and done by default).
Raise your voices and flood their inbox, this might be the last chance we ever get
How is the Union that gave its people the GDPR is the same Union pulling this?
Besides the privacy implications : trying to protect children from grooming by forbidding specific apps, is like trying to treat chickenpox with concealer.
The real problem is that our society is even producing people who would groom a child.
But as always, politicians will try to "prevent" crime at the latest possible point in the action chain, instead of going back to the source.
I dont want to understate the fact that going to the source is extremely hard to do in many cases ; but maybe people would be less disinterested in politics, if we were actually choosing between different treatments - instead of different brands of concealer - to treat our various collective cases of chicken pox.
Don't forget that the groomers include those drafting the legislation.
"outlaws anonymous communication" - This sends chills down me more than anything else I can remember. The people and organisations that benefit from this can't be trusted.
The only thing this does is control the law abiding public. Criminals are already breaking the law, and won't care. It is trivial to build an anonymous communication app. There will always be a workaround.
Anonymity, and free speak should be human rights.
Wasn't banishing anonymous communication literally what the bad guys in Mirror's Edge did? And facilitating that anonymous communication was literally the entire livelihood of the protagonist's faction?
Parkour fans rejoice as skill finally becomes useful
Everything good at Denmark? Why the fuck are your politicians pushing this into the EU council?
It seemed like such a reasonable country 12 months ago.
Because Denmark holds the rotating EU presidency, Denmark is literally required by treaty to work towards compromise when the council cannot agree. If it wasn’t Denmark doing this work, it would be another country holding the EU presidency doing it.
It’s not really about Denmark - it’s about the entire council agreeing with a compromise the presidency has to seek.
It was voted out, that's it. Nobody forced the danes to re-introduce the matter, especially when it was done with subterfuge.
because when you have fourteen parties there's bound to be at least a few fascists hiding behind the curtains. the real problem is that there's not legislation that prevents this dude from retracting and resubmitting it when it looks like it's gonna fail
Still can't fucking believe Denmark, my country, supports this. Yeah, it got revised thanks to Denmark, but it shouldn't be revised, it should be killed.
Denmark not only supports it, it's the one country that pushes the hardest for it, and did from the start. Which seems weird from my German perspective, because I wouldn't exactly associate Denmark with a police-state, quite the opposite actually, especially compared to Germany.
Just sent it, thanks for the reminder. Sent it before too an one representative actually responded which was nice.
Why is this specifically relevant to Linux users?
Well,
To sum up, this is a massive transfer of control.
him or her
Just say them
Why would a person choose to use fewer words to relay a thought when using more words is clearly better?
I propose instead, OP change their comment to say:
him, her, them, hir, zir, em, xem, xim, per, ve, ey, faer, aer, or thon
I'm tired, boss.
So am I, but they are not.
On your feet, comrade. This is no place to die.
I don't get it. If an email was encrypted with PGP between a friend and myself, how would anyone else without the private keys be able to decrypt it?
They can't, but that is not the purpose. If the chat control passes then all big services will be forced to leave EU or build in a backdoor. That will give them control over more than 90 % of the population and satisfies their goal. You and your friends are a rounding error. And if you would perform a crime, or are suspected of one, they can use the fact that you encrypt your messages against you.
Ok, the website says that Germany already opposes it. Is that outdated or what? I don't want to spam MEPs if they already agree with me.
Spam them regardless. You want them to stay where they are and to argue firmly. Especially coming from Germany when talking about the evil of the surveillance state.
Back in the Merkel-era if Germany opposes it was over.
euronazis
A populace in which it is politically safe to even float this suggestion is weak.
Just a question from my ignorance: but is this really enforceable, outside of mainstream apps/services? What happens if someone creates a custom app relying on a custom sever and uses it only among few trusted people?
mainstream
is the keyword here. Mainstream is really big.
They come for the lions share first. You do nothing because you think you're unaffected. Then later they will come for you. And nobody will do anything for you either.
Of course, professional criminals like yourself (sarcasm) will find a way to escape the law. But I doubt it's nice to live on the edge of society like that anyway, being unable to interact with most services.
Just an example: Of course you can use a private email service. You don't need to give a copy of all your communications to Google Mail or outlook. Or medical data.
But what helps that, if 97% of the people you communicate with (including your doctor) use outlook or gmail, and all messages you write them are kindly stored there "for them"?
For the moment, that would not be enforceable in respect to people with technical knowledge. Enforcing it would require authoritarian control and even China's Great Firewall has way to circumvent it.
On the other hand, this is already far more difficult than you might think. You could not install such an app from a server authenticated with TLS because the TLS keys might be subverted - the certification chain has national institutions as the top certificate authorities. You would also not be able to install such an app on an Android phone because Google has decided it needs developer attestation to install apps in a way accesible to end users. You can run Linux now but if all that is taken seriously, your options to run Linux might become limited. E.g. you already can't run many banking apps on phones with user-controlled OS software. Railway apps like the German one already don't work. In future, you might not even be able to use a municipial library's or bookstore's website this way.
But more to the point, the real application case for this kind of civil rights is not some nerd kids which want to play DnD or minecraft on their own server or test their self-written IRC service. The real application case is what we see in the US, people being dragged out of their house and disappearing just because of their ancestry, how they look, being poor or the area they live in. They don't have time to compile software or configure port-knocking protocols.
Somebody has called these systems of "democratic" mass surveillance uncovered by Snowden "Turnkey Dictatorship" . I for sure wish they would have been wrong.
they won't stop until they are deposed.
What is this Law Enforcement Working Party?
What is its relationship to the Council?
the way things are going Europeans are gonna have to start fleeing to China to get a semblance of free speech 🤣
Un-fucking-believable 😡
Who do we need to kill?
Everybody. Fucking everybody.
#GuillotineParty
That's not a surprise, but that's sad!!
Let's continue to fight against!!!
Will this actually happen with 9 member states opposing? I thought they need every memeber state to support it?
All that means it's that it won't become EU-wide, could still become applied in those "Yes" voters off their own initiatives