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[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 138 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Paul will cave and allow this to pass, this is what he does almost every time.

That being said, I hope he doesn't. If Congress wants to increase regulation for hemp derived THC (also called Delta 8 THC) then put together a separate bill and run it through the process.

That won't happen because Congress doesn't actually pass bills anymore. They just lump everything together and slap "must pass" on it.

Also this quote is fun,

Manufacturers of beverage alcohol, one of the most highly regulated consumer products, urge the Senate to reject Sen. Paul’s attempts to allow hemp-derived THC products to be sold devoid of federal regulation and oversight across the country

This type of THC has been available for several years with minimal regulation and the US has been just fine.


Edit: Reading articles is difficult. At the time of the article posting (~2pm Monday) Paul hadn't "caved". At the time of my comment (Tuesday) he already had.

The Sunday vote was cloture, aka we're done debating.

The Senate had already taken a major first step toward ending the shutdown Sunday night, voting to end debate on a motion to proceed to a House-passed continuing resolution. But procedural rules require 30 hours of “post-cloture” debate before senators can vote to proceed, followed by four more votes to pass the full funding package.

The Monday vote happened around 8pm, since that was less than 30 hours later there must have been another vote to skip the 30 hour timer.

Given the timing Paul, at best, delayed the vote by 6 hours.

[–] Davel23@fedia.io 53 points 5 months ago (35 children)

This type of THC has been available for several years with minimal regulation and the US has been just fine

I mean, it hasn't, but it has nothing to do with the availability of marijuana.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 42 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough. The US has been just fine with regards to the wide availability of his particular form of THC.

We're not living in a world of "Reefer Madness".

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 5 months ago

We’re not living in a world of “Reefer Madness”.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Until recently, my red state has thca which is what the plant naturally produces. It was really convenient to walk into a decent store and get a $5 gram. Then they closed that loophole specifically earlier this year. And to be clear, they had lab results and all the sorta info you would get at a medical place.

[–] running_ragged@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, if a product isn’t properly regulated, there’s nothing to stop producers from printing good looking lab results on the labels and say good enough. Doesn’t mean its been tested, or the data on the labels and say matches the contents at all..

Seems like there has been report after report on this problem being prevalent in the supplement industry.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

When I went there it was a well put together, clean place, clerks didn't seem sketchy, and the labels matched the results. I know what you're saying, but I can be at least certain they weren't selling vitamin E-acetate vapes.

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[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 65 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Do they even read the bills the first time?

It seems no one likes.. Omnibus bills? Where they sneak a loss of citizen rights into a "must pass" bill like this.

It happens every year and everyone hates them aside from lobbiers.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

This hide-the-shit-in-the-sandwich bullshit needed to have ended decades ago, along with the filibuster.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 12 points 5 months ago

"Wait, you have to pass this bill? Sweet, the bill now says that you give me all the money."

[–] ClydapusGotwald@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Republicans can’t read. If they could they’d be mad at your comment.

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 62 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

Every democrat tried to hold out to keep health insurance rates down for millions of people and the republicans refused to negotiate. Now one asshole republican refuses to cooperate until some drugs are less easy to get and they’re going to accommodate him? Really shows what republicans think of 50% of the population.

Edit: he’s trying to remove the language that would make it more difficult to sell hemp products. He’s still an asshole and the republicans still suck for ignoring half the country and entertaining one of their senators demands, but he’s right about this thing.

[–] raef@lemmy.world 47 points 5 months ago

He wants the provision to restrict the sales removed, so less less easy to get

[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (4 children)

He is trying to save the number one job and revenue creator for Kentucky. Hemp derived cannabinoids. Where did you parrot your info from ?

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[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

You've misunderstood what Rand is doing here. He wants language that restricts the sale of hemp-derived cannabinoids removed from the bill. I happen to agree with him here, hemp is practically the only thing Kentucky still has going for it.

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[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 43 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Rand Paul isn't the one throwing a wrench in things, here. It's dirtbag Republicans deciding a budget bill is when they're going to try to kill the marijuana industry with an unrelated amendment to the bill.

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[–] tomatolung@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago

Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) made the stakes clear Monday morning. There is only one “objector” to speeding up Senate consideration of the government funding package — Paul. The senator wants to strip a section from the bill that would prevent the sale of hemp-derived products like Delta-8 at gas stations, corner stores, or online without federal regulation.

Paul defended his stance as part of his duty to Kentucky. “Just to be clear: I am not delaying this bill. The timing is already fixed under Senate procedure. But there is extraneous language in this package that has nothing to do with reopening the government and would harm Kentucky’s hemp farmers and small businesses,” he said in a statement posted on X. “Standing up for Kentucky jobs is part of my job,” he added.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

So once again the democrats not only sold out their constituents on healthcare and snap for literally a “promise of a vote” but they shit on them even more by allowing regulation on thc products? This will not only hurt a huge sector of the economy but it will open the door for police to target minorities for minor drug possession.

This makes no fuckin sense.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 months ago

This makes no fuckin sense

it will open the door for police to target minorities for minor drug possession.

The War on drugs and the police state spawned from it is bipartisan.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Hate is the key factor in all of this.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It’ll be interesting if the Republican infighting/greed scuttles the deal and we’re left with a closed government. All the blame would come crashing down on them at that point and the Democrats could say “see, we tried to work with them but they didn’t want it”. It could tacitly save the subsidies.

But then again, never underestimate their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 24 points 5 months ago

I don’t know who needs to hear this shit but I don’t give a fuck about any of these assholes any longer.

One party’s default is evil. The other aggressively leans towards cowardice.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's an imaginary wrench, because it's still going to pass.

Boy, if only the spineless wimp dems didn't cave, Trump would be in a fucking panic right now with the ATC situation. Instead, they delivered him a win right before he would have felt the most squeeze.

[–] Guitarfun@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Our only hope now is the release of the Epstein files. I hope they can prove trump was a client and his whole base turns on him. That's all I fucking want for Christmas.

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[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago
[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (5 children)

A deal to end the 41-day government shutdown is running into turbulence, thanks to a single Senate objection: Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.).

Senate Republican and Democratic leaders say they need to resolve Paul’s objection to a provision in the government funding package before they can accelerate consideration of the bill. The provision would restrict the unregulated sale of intoxicating...hemp-derived products like Delta-8 at gas stations, corner stores, or online without federal regulation.

I mean, do we really need this provision, right now? I'm not necessarily opposed to federal regulation of Delta-8 products, but can't we address that at a later date? Let's get the government open and worry about Delta-8 later.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 81 points 5 months ago (10 children)

He has more leverage now than he ever will, and he's using that leverage to get what he wants.

Sure would be nice if Dems did that

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[–] Prox@lemmy.world 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Rand Paul agrees. He's objecting because he doesn't want the provision.

The senator wants to strip a section from the bill that would prevent the sale of hemp-derived products like Delta-8 at gas stations, corner stores, or online without federal regulation.

Paul defended his stance as part of his duty to Kentucky. “Just to be clear: I am not delaying this bill. The timing is already fixed under Senate procedure. But there is extraneous language in this package that has nothing to do with reopening the government and would harm Kentucky’s hemp farmers and small businesses,” he said in a statement posted on X. “Standing up for Kentucky jobs is part of my job,” he added.

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[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Mitch McConnel is the one who added that provision and Rand Paul wants it removed.

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Of course it's McConnel. Dude never is the bearer of good news.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago

The day he gives any good news is the day he finally dies. And I'm sure it'll be in the middle of a fillibuster.

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[–] GaryGhost@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

I'll pretend karma is real to cope with more terrible news

[–] Alenalda@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Paul is holding up? or is mconell holding up adding this unnecessary bullshit in the first place.

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[–] evilcultist@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago

Another article I saw said that the rider adds such a strict requirement for THC content that 95% of the CBD sold in the U.S. would be made illegal.

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 months ago (5 children)

"Delta 8"? What the fuck? Do they mean "weed"?

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[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Hilarious how the alcohol industry gets in on the action. America is essentially a banana republic at this point, corruption and bigotry out the wazu.

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