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[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 145 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Back when Zoom recalled all their employees to the office a couple years ago, that should have been the end for them.

Their product is designed to facilitate remote work and communication and they basically advertised to the entire world that, in their minds, it's ineffective. That was a blunder of epic proportions.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 64 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It wasn't a blunder if it didn't negatively impact the company.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

Most of the people I work aren't even in the same timezone as me. Even when in the office, we use Teams for meetings for recording and note keeping.

I don't know if they advertise that with zoom going to the office isn't needed, but even going to the office something like this is useful.

And any alternative to fucking teams is good by me

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[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 76 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Because the conservatives who populate the C-suite just about everywhere in the world have decided that control is more important than worker satisfaction or productivity.

Remote work is only for the owner class, not for the plebs

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 21 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Nah, it's that they signed multi-year leases and have to justify spending the money.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I know that's probably the right answer. But it's also... something-something... optics and feels, or something else in the headspace of those in charge?

Why? As tenants they're still paying for electricity, A/C, heat, insurance, security, and office staff. And all that gets replaced with a beefier VPN and Zoom/Teams/Slack subscription, which a lot of businesses already had back in 2019. So, paying the remainder of the lease and having everyone work from home would still save money. Plus, I bet it would be possible to pay a reduced amount up-front in order to break the lease (say 75% of the remaining months), just so the building owner could (potentially) rent the space to someone else and double-dip. The fact that this isn't the math everyone is doing, just plain stinks.

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[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 59 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I hate it when someone sends me a zoom link. It tries to download some file, while there's a tiny link to the web version available... Why would I install some program if I can just use it in my browser?

[–] el_abuelo@programming.dev 29 points 1 month ago

Yep I really hate this dark pattern. Don't hide the thing you built for me to use...let me choose! Being so transparently manipulative is gross.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

Because then they can’t share their root backdoor with the highest bidders.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Because zoom in your browser sucks.

So you should download their thick client. Which also sucks because it seems to have memory leaks on Linux. And they are always adding new bullshit features no one wants. And then force you to update their software, when you are already running late for your morning meeting calls.

Edit: it’s better than the alternatives though…

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 14 points 1 month ago

If zoom sucks in browser mode, it's because someone higher up decided it should, just like the "continue via browser" link should be hidden until you click to "open zoom app" once

[–] el_abuelo@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago

It works fine in the browser in my experience.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

The web version has literally none of these problems. But somehow it’s the one that sucks?

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[–] Prox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Anybody complaining about Zoom is only doing so because they have been forced to use Teams instead.

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why would I

Because it's slightly easier and someone at zoom HQ gets to say "I'm in!"¹ to steal all your data and stuff.

¹you have an obligation to be sporting

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 22 points 1 month ago

Never get high on your own supply

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Servers? IT? Maintenance? If only there was a place this could be centralized for efficiency….

It is funny to imagine every employee having a server rack and cooling system to add enough capacity though.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Servers? IT? Maintenance? If only there was a place this could be centralized for efficiency….

It's in the C L O U D Michael.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Getting mad at Zoom staff for having an office feels like getting mad at Ford staff for owning a bike.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Hey man it was my turn with the bike today!

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Or like getting mad at a Ford ceo for driving a Lexus

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Facts don't matter. Emotions do. Many decision makers feel that in-person is better, and that's the end of the discussion.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Punch them every time you see them in person so they feel pain.

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[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I don't see it that way. To me it seems like existing managers do not know how to manage remote teams, and you can't tell them "you should fire all the managers and hire new ones that do" because they will never fire themselves.

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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Lmao do they actually occupy a huge building like this

[–] modus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

They could occupy only a portion but pay to have their name on top.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

They recently made everyone return to office so probably.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/zoom-brought-workers-back-office-means/story?id=102173259

They did not give an explanation that has any specific meaning, so here we go:

  1. Can't let the commercial real estate market crash, therefore, unnecessary commutes are mandatory to keep Zoom's own loan on its office in good shape.

  2. Muddle Managers and C Suite people need to be able to harass and lord over people in person, or they begin to feel unfulfilled and insecure. Your suffering is their joy. They need to be able to interrupt you and waste your time with unannounced in person distractions, and when this is intermediated by physical distance and you being able to not take an unschedule video call, they can feel their ability to terrorize and neg you at any moment slipping away.

Sure, what Zoom is doing with VC platform could radically alter all of society.

We could largely cut down on traffic, commutes, rework vacant office building, or large portions of them, into basically pseudo-arcologies with chunks of residential, cafeteria / storefront, and office levels.

But, they're a B2B focused company, so that's the literal opposite of what they want, what they want is the status quo, but with themselves as another subscription that other businesses have to pay for.

Rent seeking, as usual.

[–] homoludens@feddit.org 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why are there pens in the hammer factory? Just because you build a tool does not mean you should use it for everything.

Note: I'm not saying you should use Zoom for anything.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Pens weren't supposed to replace hammers.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe they got swords and hammers confused.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 10 points 1 month ago

Penis Mightier.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's a reference to the phrase "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I am full time on site and 90% of our meetings are still virtual. Zoom isn't just for remote work.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Same reason 7-11 stores have locks on the doors

[–] orhtej2@eviltoast.org 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So they can lock during the night?

Or is 7-11 misbranded 24/7?

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[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 3 points 1 month ago
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