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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 22 hours ago

so a couple months ago it was noted that mattermost’s website had gone very problematic, extreme emphasis on pitching to mil/int with very little indicating its foss roots/nature

and now it seems they’re going for rent extraction even on the self-hosted

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 3 points 18 hours ago

I have a webserver using Ubuntu. Are any of the popular LLM-poisoning solutions packaged for that?

I ran across this today and while I had fun mashing together the Sequences, Moby Dick and 1984, a pre-packaged solution would be even better.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Dont know the exact details, but there now is a fork from the popular doom engine gzDoom called, UZDoom, because the initial dev came out retirement out of nowhere and started to vibe code, causing all the others to quit.

More here https://zdoom.org/news#p80996

[–] self@awful.systems 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

you know, I shouldn't be surprised by the extremely toxic lead developer to prompt enthusiast pipeline, but... slopcode in gzDoom of all things? fucking why?

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I heard there was even more wrong with what he did than was described in the quite nicely written zdoom post (who clearly just want to move past the drama) but that was third hand information. Altogether quite odd behavior of the old dev. Clearly he didn't learn from Frozen.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

Via a prev sneer, here's a Bloomberg post about call center workers being accused of being LLMs:

https://archive.is/K3N51

I used to work in a call-center adjacent industry and the amount of crap some employers used to make sure their workers sounded as much as robots as possible was astounding.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The FSF considers large language models, failing to recognise the purpose of plagiarism machines in the process.

Comments are also pretty sneerable - main thread's a bunch of promptfondlers trying to gas up spicy autocomplete, but I did find some guy claiming programmers steal and plagiarise much like LLMs do.

[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

this comment:

Unless you’ve only ever used ChatGPT, you will know that LLM-produced code is not the result of a single prompt, not even a conversation, but rather a workflow that often goes as such:

  • Discuss a problem with the LLM. The LLM autonomously reads large parts of the repository you’re working in, during the discussion.
  • Ask it to write a plan. Edit the plan. Ask it about the edited plan. Edit it some more.
  • Repeatedly restart the LLM, asking it to code different parts of the plan. Debug the results. Write some code yourself. Create, rebase, or otherwise play around with the repository; keep multiple branches of potential code.
  • Go back and edit the original plan, now that you know what might work. Port some unit tests back in time, sometimes.
  • Repeat until done.

is so stupid

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

rubber duck debugging with a cost multiplier magnitude coming in at a couple of zeroes tail end of the figure

and worse results

[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

it sounds like you've only used the llm with the anus logo

have you tried this other llm^[https://velvetshark.com/ai-company-logos-that-look-like-buttholes]?

image descriptionpicture of various tech company's logos arranged in the outline of a butt with claude's logo in the center

claude's logo looks like an anus

[–] corbin@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

noticed someone like "comments are lazy! never use them! write better code!"

A:

  • I'm paid for doing the job, I'm not paid to be not lazy.
  • comments are fucking useful
[–] BurgersMcSlopshot@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I once had someone tell me to my face that comments were a code smell.

[–] mlen@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Depends on how they are used. They are extremely useful when they add context that is otherwise not present in the code, but way too often I see people simply restating what the code does in the comment. That's not very useful and can become confusing if the code later gets updated without updating the associated comment.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

this seems counterintuitive but... comments are the best, name of the function but longer are the worst. Plain text summary of a huge chunk of code that I really should have taken the time to break up instead of writing a novella about it are somewhere in the middle.

I feel a lot of bad comment practices are downstream of javascript relying on jsdoc to act like a real language.

[–] misterbngo@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've found that people who talk about "code smell" generally should not be listened to as it's entirely vibes-based-on-the-last-medium-post-i-read-this-morning. I had a dipshit manager tell me that he didn't like my use of decorators (in python mind you) because it was a "code smell" and recommended I read "clean" code, and I immediately threw every other opinion he had in the trash.

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Managers gonna manage, but having a term for bad code that works that is more palatable than 'amateur hour' isn't inherently bad imo.

Worst i've heard is some company forbidding LINQ in C#, which in python terms is forcing you to always use for-loops in place of filter/map/reduce and comprehensions and other stuff like pandas.groupby

[–] misterbngo@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

that's truly assenine as LINQ is supposed to be one of the few reasons to want to use C#

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

So anybody else noticing regular outages here today or was it just me?

[–] self@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

uggggh yep sorry, I meant to deploy some changes that would mitigate this a couple nights ago but had a bunch of things crop up. I’ll do my best to work it in tonight!

some specifics for the changes to expect:

  • iocaine finally
  • some better nginx settings to kill likely scraper connections faster
[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

Nah it happens, at least it isnt on my end.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

current issue is likely the most recent bout scraper waves (based on it matching data myself and others have seen elsewhere); suggestions have been made, so hopefully soon(tm) changes

(don’t mean to speak on @self’s behalf ito plans, mind. that’s for them to do :D)

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

nah same for me

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, there's been a bunch of outages recently.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Guys, it's a problem that GenPop thinks "AI" is useless, because that means they will deny the inevitable coming existence of the Evil Robot God and make it harder to stop it

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/W2dTrfTsGtFiwG5hM/origins-and-dangers-of-future-ai-capability-denial

The whole thing has to be read to be believed. But there are some fun nuggets:

  • saying that an evil robot god is coming is Rational. Doubting that is a conspiracy theory
  • slagging flat-earthers on LW is truly the pot calling the kettle black
  • "I can imagine a world where AI becomes extremely good at flipping burgers or driving cars well before it learns how to write software or detect cancer. In that case, I think it's a lot harder to deny its achievements. But in our world, a lot of AI's greatest achievements take context to understand, like protein folding or playing board games." - yeah sure buddy all the pro board game players are quaking in their boots
[–] rook@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago

I can imagine a world where AI becomes extremely good at flipping burgers or driving cars well before it learns how to write software or […] protein folding or playing board games

That’s because despite Moravec’s paradox being noted down in the 80s (y’know, the last ai winter) there’s still a certain kind of asshole who thinks that flipping burgers is an easy task performed by stupid people but playing go is somehow the height of human intellect, despite 40+ years of evidence to the contrary.

[–] sansruse@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

i'm only at the beginning, but this already stuck out to me:

It would be extremely bad if many people come to believe this: arguments about existential risk mostly rely on the assumption that AI is capable, so they fall flat for people who don't agree with that. I think we should be emphasizing the core capability of AI more and talking about x-risks less.

"Guys we need to pump this ~~bubble~~ Rational Stock Appreciation Trend more, the plebs are starting to think it's all bullshit!!"

[–] aio@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

Well, it is true that computer programs have far surpassed humans in board games. They are very well suited for it. It just has nothing to do with the hypothesized abilities of future "AI" as rationalists conceive them.

[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 10 points 2 days ago (7 children)

In lighter news, this anti-LLM rhyme made me chuckle:

I will not talk with a chatbot
I do not want it while I shop

I do not want it on Windows X-box
I do not want it in Firefox

I do not want it in my house
I do not want it on my mouse
I do not want it here or there
I do not want it anywhere.

I do not want AI and Spam
I do not want them Sam-Alt-Man

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago

For something lighter, here's an AI bro getting wowed by the shittiest "video game" I've ever seen (trust me, the screenshot doesn't do it justice):

In lieu of sneering this shit, I'd like to argue that arts education should become mandatory for all students post-bubble, regardless of their profession. STEM, humanities, tech, doesn't matter - give them four years of art so they don't turn out like this guy.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Amazon unveils AI-Powered AR glasses for delivery drivers.

The response I've seen from actual drivers has been somewhere between "eh? I guess?" and "fuck you, pay me".

[–] jonhendry@awful.systems 1 points 1 day ago

Does it have GPS so it can flash "WRONG HOUSE, FUCKWIT"

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[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 8 points 3 days ago
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